A missive from CLF for the ages

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Re: A missile from CLF for the ages

Postby RonG » Mar Wed 04, 2020 6:43 pm

Rambler wrote:God, I'm so freaking sorry I started this...


You said that already. x38 This is not your thread anymore. It is ours. We might.......might give it back to you when we are done. :angel:

History is good, man. People need to learn from the presentness of the past. I doubt after this, anyone one will ever post someone else's fish on WCF and say it is theirs. Dang, I just remembered another one... Short story though.

So many layers on CLF. So much going on below the surface that no one knew about (until now!)
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby FishinMatt » Mar Wed 04, 2020 8:29 pm

Ron, I remember the controversy with that pic but not my stance on the whole thing. My fights were normally just with Fishstalker. For the rest of the drama I just grabbed my popcorn and watched the world burn.
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Re: A missile from CLF for the ages

Postby RonG » Mar Wed 04, 2020 8:46 pm

FishinMatt wrote:Ron, I remember the controversy with that pic but not my stance on the whole thing.


No, you weren't in the fray of it, but I think I remember you expressing some doubts about what was happening. There was a 'quote of doubt' by a member I repeated in the PoorBoy story. If there was a new guy, like the one I mentioned today who popped up out of nowhere with a fake pic and story. No big deal. Whatever... Troll. But when there was a long time poster who was probably a decent angler (PB or BM), folks could not grasp why they would cheat and post fake stories or photos to elevate themselves.

FishinMatt wrote:My fights were normally just with Fishstalker.


Was that the guy that was a mortgage broker by day and the king of the disco by night, spinning discs in his silk shirt unbuttoned to his navel? :lol: Joe? If so, that guy didn't like me either. Such a tough guy online. I met him at Deep Quarry on trout opener once. He was like 4 feet tall. I instigated a hand shake and all I got back was a wimpy wet noodle of a hand. He acted so afraid of me, like I was going to gut him alive in front of all the anglers. Keyboard commando! lol
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby cletedius » Mar Wed 04, 2020 9:08 pm

RonG wrote:
FishinMatt wrote:My fights were normally just with Fishstalker.


Was that the guy that was a mortgage broker by day and the king of the disco by night, spinning discs in his silk shirt unbuttoned to his navel? :lol: Joe? If so, that guy didn't like me either. Such a tough guy online. I met him at Deep Quarry on trout opener once. He was like 4 feet tall. I instigated a hand shake and all I got back was a wimpy wet noodle of a hand. He acted so afraid of me, like I was going to gut him alive in front of all the anglers. Keyboard commando! lol


Perhaps the reason you bash him is because you cant afford a 200$ shirt, too?
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After all these years, I still think this 1 gets the nod as GOAT post on a chicago fishing forum
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Re: A missile from CLF for the ages

Postby RonG » Mar Wed 04, 2020 9:29 pm

RonG wrote:Dang, I just remembered another one... Short story though.


More Fake Fish

This chap that had at least 15 screen names on CLF decided to put on a big Lake Michigan Jumbo Perch Derby @Montrose. The derby went overall good, but to make it look a little better, he added these fish to his post-derby write up stating "They look like walleye."

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Only these 2 fish were not caught by him. They weren't even caught by anyone who participated in his derby. He took a break from fishing and walked the outer wall looking at people's catches. When he found someone with a couple nice ones, he asked if they'd take a photo of him posing with their fish

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cletedius wrote:Perhaps the reason you bash him is because you cant afford a 200$ shirt, too?

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After all these years, I still think this 1 gets the nod as GOAT post on a chicago fishing forum


That for real?????????? It looks like a spoof post, but with 155 posts under his disco cummerbund, I'm guessing it's real. I laughed through the whole thing and still am laughing. :lol: :lol: :lol: 'Never seen anything like it. Bassinlarry couldn't even compose something like that. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: How can someone talk about themselves like that? Maybe that Ragas guy could too.



:arrow: Next up: Perch and Eggs by 9 AM
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby FishinMatt » Mar Wed 04, 2020 10:47 pm

Oh yeah that was him. He also went by the name Marabou for awhile. I saw him once on the Chain and he is indeed a little man. I heard he had part ownership in a musky store on the Chain but don't know for sure. I do believe the quote " I have partied in ways you can only understand abstractly" is one of the best lines ever posted. Really the whole thing is gold. We spent months in the subscriber's forum picking that one apart.

Oh Rajas. He had quite a history in multiple forums. Always came across the wrong way. I really did not want to ban him here but the shit just never stopped. That dude was determined one way or another to make it in the fishing industry. He really was a man before his time. If he was born 5 or 10 years later he definelty would of been into the yuppy suburban kids youtube fishing boom.
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby mikeyd » Mar Wed 04, 2020 11:42 pm

[quote="RonG"]CDS (Chinese Deth Stick) Updates



First a correction on this 11 page thread of a phony, non-existent lure. There are over 41,000 views! (previously I stated 20,000) 41,000 views on a one single fake lure!! By ratio, makes the GAS thread look small. What a successful post! :thumbup:

Believe it or not, this bait was the real deal. I ordered 20 of these at $1.10 a piece and took them up to the Sturgeon Bay shipping canal in 2013. Half of them were dead on arrival and wouldn’t float. 1/4 of them would last a fish or two or crack upon brushing against any hard surface.

The ones that worked were magic though. I had the best night of salmon fishing I’ve experienced. Within 5 minutes of casting, the lure would get train wrecked. You’d fight a salmon for 10 minutes, catch or lose the fish, and repeat again every 5-10 minutes of casting. That lasted from 8 pm until about midnight when we headed in. The blue CDS was the deal.

I posted my results back in the original CLF post back in 2013.
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Re: A missile from CLF for the ages

Postby RonG » Mar Thu 05, 2020 2:06 am

Thanks mikeyd for the pic and CDS results! And thanks to Matt and Cletedius for their contributions and anyone else keeping this train rolling. I feel like a nerd at a Star Trek convention posting so much and any help besides what I've got is appreciated. I do realize most on WCF probably weren't on CLF in it's 2009-2013 hey day and don't have anything to add. I hope those reading get some entertainment out of all this research, compiling and typing. :mrgreen:

The lures were real and what was fake was that the channel to obtain was from bassinlarry, in all 10 flavors. Just crazy was the demand to buy some from him. I posted a pic of my padded mailing envelope from China, explained my order was parts ordered to automate of my home brewery and posted 3-4 pics of the new digital temperature control unit I built. Yet they slammed me for something CDS or being fake. Zero reading comprehension on there some times. :crazy:
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby joetrain » Mar Thu 05, 2020 2:47 am

I never registered on that forum but I used to check it occasionally back then. I always thought to myself “what is wrong with these people.”

I have now gone back and looked at some of those old posts and still say “what is wrong with these people.”
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Re: A missile from CLF for the ages

Postby RonG » Mar Thu 05, 2020 2:52 am

Perch and Eggs by 7:00 AM

Big saw, in his head, was a ninja man of stealth. Like with his over-the-line, horrifically nasty posts he'd leave up briefly, then delete and type 'edited.' His 'subtle' form of bragging was talking about how early he could get home with his 'limit', clean them all, then eat them with a plate of eggs. i.e.--"I got home and had Perch and Eggs by <<insert some early A.M. time>>"


big saw wrote:Got there at 430 am. The usual spot(s). Started pitching the shadrap. Never had to change to my fluke rod cause they were pounding the shadrap. Perfect day, overcast, a little wind to my back. Got my limit, mostly 10-11 inchers in an hour and 45 minutes and on my way home for breakfast at 6:30 am. Breakfast will be the famous Perch and eggs".

This segment has been posted for the future for your enjoyment. Anyone who dis-believes this can meet me there and they will share in the soon to be perch bonanza !


big saw wrote:Had breakfast today again. Eggs and perch. MMMMM. Have so many fish sometimes have to eat them 3 times a day. And to think a couple weeks ago I was down to my last 100 or so fillets. :)9


big saw wrote:Physics do not lie.

Some facts

2)Shoreline temps are 1-2 degrees warmer than outer lake temps. Why? Because the sun and ultraviolet rays permeate the cement and shoreline rock and hold heat for days.

Ill probably be home by 7:00am for perch and eggs.


Fake BS Fish

Maybe not the members in general, but we knew it was just a bunch of bs. I had my sources of eyes and ears on the lakefront. Multiple sources who were fishing close enough to big saw to watch him, told me on multiple occasions, his stories were complete bunk. He either:

1) stayed fishing for way longer than he reported
2) left far short of a limit or whatever he bragged about that day
3) posted stories of limits on really down days when the fish weren't in

We never publicly called him out on his lies, but chose to chide him on the perch and eggs talk instead. We'd find little funny egg pics like dancing egg emoticons and post them and make perch and egg jokes in our posts. Not this one, but stuff like this:

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He probably loved that anyone paid him any attention. In our fishing reports, we'd include photos of our personal perch and egg entrees we ate, like these breakfasts I made for myself.


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Superfluke wrote:Ha Ha Ron - Yum Yum Yum, eat em up. That's frickin beautiful!


We thought we were so funny, patting each other on the backs like actors and musicians do at the Oscars and Grammys. Other than his name calling and inexcusable nastiness, kinda I miss Mr BS and all of his BS sometimes. :( Fun times :moresarcasm: The dude could put down a lot of chow especially at the all you can eat casino buffets.

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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby Woohoodude11 » Mar Thu 05, 2020 8:02 am

Jesus that $200 shirt guy sounds like a miserable prick. If you gotta go into that much detail to defend your "lifestyle" you've gotta be pretty close to cleaning out your mouth with some buckshot.
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby SmalliesNEyes » Mar Thu 05, 2020 8:33 am

Not only are we getting the greatest hits of CLF, but there's an Andrew Ragas mention in this thread too. Simply.Amazing. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Andrew is still trying to make it in the fishing industry, btw... I do believe he has actually built himself a pretty good guide service, and speaks at seminars and such.

http://www.northwoodsbass.com
https://www.instagram.com/andrew_ragas/

Something I thought was funny from his 2020 Rates page.

http://www.northwoodsbass.com/about-nor ... ass/rates/

It says "Gratuities are suggested" :shock: :lol:

What kind of guide actually says that? It's pretty much common knowledge in the fishing world that you tip your guide...
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby Rambler » Mar Thu 05, 2020 9:05 am

RonG wrote:You said that already. x38 This is not your thread anymore. It is ours. We might.......might give it back to you when we are done. :angel:

History is good, man. People need to learn from the presentness of the past. I doubt after this, anyone one will ever post someone else's fish on WCF and say it is theirs. Dang, I just remembered another one... Short story though.

Never claimed ownership of this or any thread. And if I had ever claimed ownership of this one I'd renounce it completely. Don't want it back when you're done - don't have time to read the whole, sorry mess. :D

I noticed you bled this CLF crap over into a different thread. I thought, "OMG, poor Ron. He's developing a psychosis over this thing". Maybe an intervention is in order? :lol:

No one has to lecture me on history. I have a degree in it (which is why the majority of my career was spent selling IT). The problem with our country is that most Americans don't know shit about our history (or much else).
Keep calm and fish on...

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Re: A missile from CLF for the ages

Postby RonG » Mar Thu 05, 2020 12:43 pm

Photo of a STUPID Coyote.

What the heck was that one? 12 pages long & 39,000+ views before it got locked down. Huge piece of CLF history, but I never read it. I believe Nikster, the right wing gun guy with an armory in his basement, posted a pic of a dead coyote she shot in his neighbor's yard? All went nuts, with the Libby PETA folks and stuff. Didn't bassinlarry or someone say he deliberately tries to hit them with his car and got banned? Anyone have any more than my sketchy memories?

Rambler wrote:I noticed you bled this CLF crap over into a different thread. I thought, "OMG, poor Ron. He's developing a psychosis over this thing". Maybe an intervention is in order?


Forum bleed is a wonderful thing. I did that as an example of CLF's forum bleed. It kept things moving and progressing and evolving. It was especially good when the issues of a locked-down thread kept coming up everywhere else just like an unstoppable virus. It made the moderators have to work a little for their hard earned pay.
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby Fishy Bitch » Mar Thu 05, 2020 1:39 pm

I just tapped into some of the old Mick Thill posts. I think everybody there absolutely loved that guy...except for most of us. He's dead now but his name will live on, at least on his bobbers anyway.
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby McChou » Mar Thu 05, 2020 3:16 pm

The CDS craze was one of the most amazing threads on a fishing forum ever. it transcended CLF and folks everywhere were looking for that secret bait to catch fall run kings. Then there was the classification of how big your king was ... the CTAT, Tuna, Super Tuna ... that's right when I had discovered lakefront silver and met some of that crew.

The cynical me thinks the CDS was/is a microcosm of what I think fishing has become ... looking for a magic lure vs just putting in the time and effort to: be there when the bite is on, and learn how to present a bait. Folks think that having a magic bait tied on will guarantee fish.

Fun stuff, keep it up!
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Re: A missile from CLF for the ages

Postby RonG » Mar Thu 05, 2020 4:01 pm

SmalliesNEyes wrote:Andrew is still trying to make it in the fishing industry, btw... I do believe he has actually built himself a pretty good guide service, and speaks at seminars and such.

Something I thought was funny from his 2020 Rates page.

http://www.northwoodsbass.com/about-nor ... ass/rates/

It says "Gratuities are suggested"


For the $600 he's asking for one day of fishing, you could buy your own boat, motor and trailer up there and fish for years with it. Coming back from the UP, I'd see the boats in people's yards in that area with for sale signs on them and many of them are ridiculously cheap compared to Chicago area prices. I've even thought of the $$ I could make if I bought a boat on the way home from each trip there and flipped them back in Illinois. :idea:


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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby SmalliesNEyes » Mar Thu 05, 2020 4:14 pm

RonG wrote:
SmalliesNEyes wrote:Andrew is still trying to make it in the fishing industry, btw... I do believe he has actually built himself a pretty good guide service, and speaks at seminars and such.

Something I thought was funny from his 2020 Rates page.

http://www.northwoodsbass.com/about-nor ... ass/rates/

It says "Gratuities are suggested"


For the $600 he's asking for one day of fishing, you could buy your own boat, motor and trailer up there and fish for years with it. Coming back from the UP, I'd see the boats in people's yards in that area with for sale signs on them and many of them are ridiculously cheap compared to Chicago area prices. I've even thought of the $$ I could make if I bought a boat on the way home from each trip there and flipped them back in Illinois. :idea:


I never really got along with Andrew, but in his defense, $400 is the full day 8-9 hours. And that's pretty much the going rate for a full day with a guide. We did a full day trip with Larry Smith up on the Wolf River for walleyes a couple years ago in fall, and it was like $500+ tip for 3 people. The $600 is for "fish till death" which it says is a 12+ hour day.
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Re: A missile from CLF for the ages

Postby RonG » Mar Thu 05, 2020 4:16 pm

I did get a boat, motor and trailer up there for $400. 8) I traded my canoe I paid $400 for at Sam's Club even-up for it. Later, I sold my other canoe to Tubes77 from CLF to begin my kayak life.
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby SmalliesNEyes » Mar Thu 05, 2020 4:17 pm

RonG wrote:I did get a boat, motor and trailer up there for $400. 8) I traded my canoe I paid $400 for at Sam's Club even-up for it.


That's awesome. Haha.
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Re: A missile from CLF for the ages

Postby RonG » Mar Thu 05, 2020 10:39 pm

SmalliesNEyes wrote:
RonG wrote:I did get a boat, motor and trailer up there for $400. 8) I traded my canoe I paid $400 for at Sam's Club even-up for it.


That's awesome. Haha.


The good deal was short-lived and a story goofy enough for this goofy thread of old tales. The boat should have been mine as it was my father-in-laws boat! Their rural mail carrier talked them into giving it to him. :shock: It was a beautiful, small wooden boat from the 1940s. Actually, useless to me because the stern was completely rotted off of it. The mailman dedicated a summer into rebuilding it. He built a new stern and added some nice new wood trim. Then to seal it all up, he completely fiberglassed the whole bottom and painted the underside. But, now it basically was the weight of two boats that size, a boat within a boat. He and then I got lots of complements on the woodwork.

I only got two years out of it because of titling issues. I used it until the plates and registration expired. Things are easier in MI. I think there was no title on the boat and I know there was no title on the trailer. :( Then it just sat and sat, but I was by then kayak man. I still have the motor, a Johnson 6.6 I think. I should get that running this spring and finally sell it.
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Re: A missile from CLF for the ages

Postby RonG » Mar Fri 06, 2020 7:53 pm

Nikster and the Underwear Lady



A short story for a change.

Nikster, the unhinged gun stockpiler, for no real reason other than he thought it was cool, decided to post a photo of his wife's girlfriend in her underwear posing with an assault rifle in his bedroom. Zombie Fish got out his crayons and did a color correction on the photo and re-posted it.

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Nikster thought the enhancements were funny and decided to show the woman the thread and pic. How stupid! Her first reaction was shock and was hurt that someone would do that that to her. :( Then fear, what kind of creep would take the time to do that and for what reason? :shock: Then anger...she wanted to know who this guy was to provide that info to her lawyer. I think they wanted to hunt him down and make a dead coyote out of him.

Then she woke up, realizing what the REAL problem was. "Nick, why on earth are you putting pictures of me in my underwear on the internet??!?" :evil: :evil: I'm sure his wife wanted to hear the same answer from him. I can't imagine the scene with him and those two women. He's probably still in the dog house. :lol: :lol: No brains Nick.


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Re: A missile from CLF for the ages

Postby RonG » Mar Sat 07, 2020 12:55 pm

KurtKaboom



Oh man, I hated this stupid poster with a passion!!

Kurt fished "at the front of the lake" (Lake Michigan) with his friends Shakes, Manny, Asianpete, Kimba the Nigerian and a few others.

I taught my kids when they were little that if you are watching a show or movie and there's this character that you really hate, the reason you hate them is because they are a really good actor. I hated KKB so much for the stupid talk and rotten spelling. Then when he started talking about my dog or other personal things that no one would know from my online postings at that time, inside I lost it. All I could figure is that it was JJ from A101 messing with me.

Typical KKB post:


KurtKaboom wrote:peple do like me. I am not a blowhard like some people i hve heard of. Who think that they are an expert about everything because they have read aboutit or done it a few times.

how long you been fishing for them trouts and salmons? Not very long. But you know everything and make fun of people because they were not born in Chicago or don't agree with you.

I got more salomn last year then you have got in your life. I fishalot and I no what I am doin.

Maybe you and manny can go powerlinin. I bet Manny catches more fishes than you. Hes got the down syndrum.

I will soon be putting up all of my fishes pics. Manny lives with his mom. Where do you live/

Big shot. Mean guy

Kurt



Lots of folks weren't particularly nice to Kurt

nodlikescod wrote:Wow, you're really a jerk, Kurt. You really aren't going to make many friends around here...

mops7 wrote:Learn how to type you idiot. Mops

big saw wrote:Hey Kaboob. Go troll some where else. And if you , by chance, are for real, then you need some serious therapy.



The nasties were so nasty to Kurt that this thread got locked down by a moderator. Note their names--typical CLF jerks. I was too dense to pick up on the name Kurt (Cobain) and the relationship to the previous member Courtney(Love)sPerch. Both characters were creations of the same puppeteer. The mention of my dog and other personal things were things he dropped as clues for me, trying to say "Ron, dude, it's just me!". It went over my head that Kurt was a friend not a bad guy. He wasn't banned but finished his career with only 60 posts. Magically, that matched up to the world being introduced to bassinlarry.




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Re: A missile from CLF for the ages

Postby RonG » Mar Sat 07, 2020 3:58 pm

I was just over there on CLF reading some old threads looking for more content for this thread and saw some more interesting stuff. Someone typed boggzD=RonG. Also in the same thread they said I was the Drumking. I don't even wear sandals. :wink:

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I forgot about those two additional screen name nominations. It was an honor and still is. :mrgreen: All things to everyone. Run, run away.
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby Fishy Bitch » Mar Sat 07, 2020 5:01 pm

I always thought boggzD was Larry? Didn't he have about 10 incognito names?
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Re: A missile from CLF for the ages

Postby RonG » Mar Sat 07, 2020 5:59 pm

Fishy Bitch wrote:I always thought boggzD was Larry??


Nope, not bassinlarry or myself. Someone asked here earlier: larry legend=bassin larry? That too is negative.


Fishy Bitch wrote:Larry? Didn't he have about 10 incognito names?


Yes, but rarely had more than one at a time. He'd fast burn a name until banned, then pop up again. By bassinlarry time, he learned to walk the edge vs. cross the line and has kept that name to this day. So much fun with everyone accusing each other of being so and so. Then the thugs got multiple names like xuS yrraL (Larry Sux) popping up to whine and attack. I don't know who they were. Maybe PoorBoy, Delerious or jm529 I'm guessing.
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby cletedius » Mar Sat 07, 2020 6:40 pm

RonG wrote:
Fishy Bitch wrote:I always thought boggzD was Larry??


Nope, not bassinlarry or myself.


I always thought boggzD was either "troma" or "oily italian meatball", but I could be wrong. Certainly wasnt BL or RonG.
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Re: A missile from CLF for the ages

Postby RonG » Mar Sat 07, 2020 8:51 pm

oilyitalianmeatball :lol: I forgot that name. I just looked him up and saw potheadfrank and Croissant Seven in the same threads. I thought I knew who everyone was, but everyone was jumping in head first.

Croissant Seven wrote:I throw small styrofoam cups full of frozen, pureed shrimp into the lake, hoping that a coho eats the whole thing, dies, and floats to the surface, close enough to either net or latch onto with a snagging hook.

That's the hard part, really. I've had dozens of fish come belly up out of the reach of my hook. Small price to pay for a decent smoked salmon plate, they're just fish anyways.
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby Bassin' Ted » Mar Sun 08, 2020 8:14 pm

I remember that Bossman picture of the pile of crappie with the undersized bass and the chaos that followed. Overall, I never cared for his behavior on these forums. AndrewR was a decent guy in my book but I understand how he could rub people the wrong way. I am impressed by him moving up to northern Wisconsin, living his dream, and seemingly making it work. His website was always impressive to me.

The thread that pissed me off the most on that site was “Too many members not enough subscribers.”
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby cletedius » Mar Mon 09, 2020 12:27 am

SmalliesNEyes wrote:Something I thought was funny from his 2020 Rates page.

http://www.northwoodsbass.com/about-nor ... ass/rates/

It says "Gratuities are suggested" :shock: :lol:

What kind of guide actually says that? It's pretty much common knowledge in the fishing world that you tip your guide...


I always thought the same, but I think you'd be surprised at how many genuinely didnt know tipping was a "thing". No fault on their part, they just truly didnt know. Also, its not uncommon to find your customers have 0 previous experience or exposure to fishing in general & are just there to experience something new to them or landed on your boat via circumstances unrelated to fishing.

That said, I just checked out that link. Having never seen his page, or paid attention to anything he ever posted beyond his 5th post on any site, it sure reads as though if he determines you worthy of his time & services & you wont be too much of an inconvenience on him or get his boat dirty & he has nothing better to do, he might be willing to let you give him 400/600$(*dont forget to tip, either), & then you my friend, are in for 1 heck of a day catching big smallmouth in the ultra-challenging waters of N. WI!! .........................:roll:
Not sure Ive ever seen a guides page that reads like that. Kinda gruesome, really.
All the same, I guess Id be willing to fish with him at those prices, so long as that check got to me 30 days in advance of our trip. :wink:


Could this be fishstalker/marabou/muskymilitia's brother from another mother?
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby Bassin' Ted » Mar Mon 09, 2020 6:20 am

cletedius wrote:
SmalliesNEyes wrote:Something I thought was funny from his 2020 Rates page.

http://www.northwoodsbass.com/about-nor ... ass/rates/

It says "Gratuities are suggested" :shock: :lol:



What kind of guide actually says that? It's pretty much common knowledge in the fishing world that you tip your guide...


I always thought the same, but I think you'd be surprised at how many genuinely didnt know tipping was a "thing". No fault on their part, they just truly didnt know. Also, its not uncommon to find your customers have 0 previous experience or exposure to fishing in general & are just there to experience something new to them or landed on your boat via circumstances unrelated to fishing.

That said, I just checked out that link. Having never seen his page, or paid attention to anything he ever posted beyond his 5th post on any site, it sure reads as though if he determines you worthy of his time & services & you wont be too much of an inconvenience on him or get his boat dirty & he has nothing better to do, he might be willing to let you give him 400/600$(*dont forget to tip, either), & then you my friend, are in for 1 heck of a day catching big smallmouth in the ultra-challenging waters of N. WI!! .........................:roll:
Not sure Ive ever seen a guides page that reads like that. Kinda gruesome, really.
All the same, I guess Id be willing to fish with him at those prices, so long as that check to got to me 30 days in advance of our trip. :wink:


Could this be fishstalker/marabou/muskymilitia's brother from another mother?


This is a hot button topic I have seen guys argue strongly about before. Personally, I have never understood why there is an expectation to tip a guide. They set their prices and rarely does anyone think they are inexpensive. The two times I have gotten a guide I did tip but I didn’t really think I should have.
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby joetrain » Mar Mon 09, 2020 7:02 am

I’m with you BT. I could see tipping a guide if he or she was an employee of a guide service but why would I tip the owner of the company?

Reading more of RonG’s recollections still has me asking “what is wrong with these people?”
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby FishinMatt » Mar Mon 09, 2020 10:49 am

cletedius wrote:
SmalliesNEyes wrote:Something I thought was funny from his 2020 Rates page.

http://www.northwoodsbass.com/about-nor ... ass/rates/

It says "Gratuities are suggested" :shock: :lol:

What kind of guide actually says that? It's pretty much common knowledge in the fishing world that you tip your guide...


I always thought the same, but I think you'd be surprised at how many genuinely didnt know tipping was a "thing". No fault on their part, they just truly didnt know. Also, its not uncommon to find your customers have 0 previous experience or exposure to fishing in general & are just there to experience something new to them or landed on your boat via circumstances unrelated to fishing.

That said, I just checked out that link. Having never seen his page, or paid attention to anything he ever posted beyond his 5th post on any site, it sure reads as though if he determines you worthy of his time & services & you wont be too much of an inconvenience on him or get his boat dirty & he has nothing better to do, he might be willing to let you give him 400/600$(*dont forget to tip, either), & then you my friend, are in for 1 heck of a day catching big smallmouth in the ultra-challenging waters of N. WI!! .........................:roll:
Not sure Ive ever seen a guides page that reads like that. Kinda gruesome, really.
All the same, I guess Id be willing to fish with him at those prices, so long as that check to got to me 30 days in advance of our trip. :wink:


Could this be fishstalker/marabou/muskymilitia's brother from another mother?


I checked out his guide page which reaffirmed my opinion of him.
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Re: A missile from CLF for the ages

Postby RonG » Mar Mon 09, 2020 11:03 am

Cletedius wrote:That said, I just checked out that link. Having never seen his page, or paid attention to anything he ever posted beyond his 5th post on any site, it sure reads as though if he determines you worthy of his time & services & you wont be too much of an inconvenience on him or get his boat dirty & he has nothing better to do, he might be willing to let you give him 400/600$(*dont forget to tip, either), & then you my friend, are in for 1 heck of a day catching big smallmouth in the ultra-challenging waters of N. WI!! .........................:roll:

Could this be fishstalker/marabou/muskymilitia's brother from another mother?


His suggestion of a tip is not just on his rates page. He's got it posted in multiple places as you dig around his site. Andrew is like fishstalker, 100% of everything is about him and his mega-ego. for example:

Andrew Ragas wrote:BOAT RULES
No smoking is allowed onboard. Too many carpet burns, I am not an ash tray.


A normal person would say "my boat is not an ash tray", but even that sounds arrogant and unfriendly. What's would be wrong with?: "Please, no smoking is allowed" But he makes it about himself adding "I am not an ashtray." :roll: :roll:


We can only hope this discussion is driving dozens of hits to his website and he's sitting there peeing himself thinking of all the business he's going to get in 2020. :lol:
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby SmalliesNEyes » Mar Mon 09, 2020 11:11 am

Bassin' Ted wrote:
cletedius wrote:
SmalliesNEyes wrote:Something I thought was funny from his 2020 Rates page.

http://www.northwoodsbass.com/about-nor ... ass/rates/

It says "Gratuities are suggested" :shock: :lol:



What kind of guide actually says that? It's pretty much common knowledge in the fishing world that you tip your guide...


I always thought the same, but I think you'd be surprised at how many genuinely didnt know tipping was a "thing". No fault on their part, they just truly didnt know. Also, its not uncommon to find your customers have 0 previous experience or exposure to fishing in general & are just there to experience something new to them or landed on your boat via circumstances unrelated to fishing.

That said, I just checked out that link. Having never seen his page, or paid attention to anything he ever posted beyond his 5th post on any site, it sure reads as though if he determines you worthy of his time & services & you wont be too much of an inconvenience on him or get his boat dirty & he has nothing better to do, he might be willing to let you give him 400/600$(*dont forget to tip, either), & then you my friend, are in for 1 heck of a day catching big smallmouth in the ultra-challenging waters of N. WI!! .........................:roll:
Not sure Ive ever seen a guides page that reads like that. Kinda gruesome, really.
All the same, I guess Id be willing to fish with him at those prices, so long as that check to got to me 30 days in advance of our trip. :wink:


Could this be fishstalker/marabou/muskymilitia's brother from another mother?


This is a hot button topic I have seen guys argue strongly about before. Personally, I have never understood why there is an expectation to tip a guide. They set their prices and rarely does anyone think they are inexpensive. The two times I have gotten a guide I did tip but I didn’t really think I should have.


I tip if the Captain was super attentive or handled the majority of stuff for me, and/or we used all the captain's gear, and if we're harvesting fish, and he's cleaning them all for us. I've fished with a guide before that wouldn't even let me re-tie my own baits on. He said you're paying me, that's part of my service. That guy got a tip.

I agree in that I don't understand the premise to tip if I'm just getting a guide to show me around a lake so that I can come back up on my own and smallmouth fish, or muskie fish. The guy is making $400 or $500 for 5 or 6 hours of driving me around and showing me his lake. Why is a tip expected in that scenario? The funny thing is that Andrew is actually suggesting tips for just that... driving around and showing you where he catches some fish. It's not like he's taking you crappie fishing, or big gill fishing, or walleye fishing, and then cleaning 15 walleye, or 50 or 100 panfish for you... he's just spending some money on gas, and driving you around his lake, and you're essentially paying him for that knowledge that he's giving you for that body of water, and for some company in the boat. I figure that most guys who go fishing with a guide, go for the knowledge of a particular body of water, or technique. They don't go to learn how to fish, so it's not like a guide will offer more than just knowledge on the body of water.

He always rubbed me the wrong way. He was so egotistical, and everything.... literally everything was about him, how good he was, what he was doing, the direction he was heading, etc. Just like Ron said.

I've never liked him, never really got along with him, and looking at his guide page, like FishinMatt said, just reaffirms why I didn't like him, and never got along with him. :lol:
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby SpecialEd » Mar Mon 09, 2020 1:11 pm

SmalliesNEyes wrote:
He always rubbed me the wrong way. He was so egotistical, and everything.... literally everything was about him, how good he was, what he was doing, the direction he was heading, etc. Just like Ron said.

I've never liked him, never really got along with him, and looking at his guide page, like FishinMatt said, just reaffirms why I didn't like him, and never got along with him. :lol:


Don't get me started on Ragas... So much history there and none of it is good.

Fished with him once in N. WI. I was a guest of his to his grandparent's cabin, and I probably should have taken him home as soon as we hit the highway. That was when he told me that I needed to cover groceries, food, and gas in my SUV (towing his boat) and he would let me stay in the cabin. :roll:

Then there was his attitude... I've never seen or heard anyone talk to their parents like that before. I've spent a lot of time with some straight-up a-holes and in all my years I have never heard anyone speak this disrespectfully to another human being. I was so offended, I resolved to spend the rest of the trip completely separated from him.

I've heard he is doing good up in WI now. That's fine and all, I only hope that his parents stayed in IL and have some kind of reprieve from the verbal beratings that kid subjected them to.
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby SmalliesNEyes » Mar Mon 09, 2020 2:24 pm

SpecialEd wrote:
SmalliesNEyes wrote:
He always rubbed me the wrong way. He was so egotistical, and everything.... literally everything was about him, how good he was, what he was doing, the direction he was heading, etc. Just like Ron said.

I've never liked him, never really got along with him, and looking at his guide page, like FishinMatt said, just reaffirms why I didn't like him, and never got along with him. :lol:


Don't get me started on Ragas... So much history there and none of it is good.

Fished with him once in N. WI. I was a guest of his to his grandparent's cabin, and I probably should have taken him home as soon as we hit the highway. That was when he told me that I needed to cover groceries, food, and gas in my SUV (towing his boat) and he would let me stay in the cabin. :roll:

Then there was his attitude... I've never seen or heard anyone talk to their parents like that before. I've spent a lot of time with some straight-up a-holes and in all my years I have never heard anyone speak this disrespectfully to another human being. I was so offended, I resolved to spend the rest of the trip completely separated from him.

I've heard he is doing good up in WI now. That's fine and all, I only hope that his parents stayed in IL and have some kind of reprieve from the verbal beratings that kid subjected them to.


LMAO. You cover all expenses, and he lets you fish on his boat, and stay in the cabin that is free of charge, eh? Sounds like something he would do. Dude was always a Douchebag with a capital D. So he was that kid, eh? The one who was spoiled rotten his whole life, and still treated his parents like dog shit? Sounds about right.
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Re: A missile from CLF for the ages

Postby RonG » Mar Mon 09, 2020 4:12 pm

Dopey Names Dopey Folks

Lots of dopey names on the forums. Just like many that dwell on this earth that should not be allowed to procreate, there's just as many that should not be allowed to pick their own screen name. Usually, the dopier the name, the dopier the personality.


nodlikescod

..was a very, very annoying dweeby guy looking for friends. I don't think he was an angler either. We pushed him so hard to produce a fishing report because on every other subject, he had so much to say. I don't think he ever gave a single report, he just loitered in our forums. He won a trip to Angler's Kingdom from CLF and still fought tooth and nail to not give a report or pictures. Somewhat of a yuppy wannabe. Maybe a monitor slipped in by PETA? He didn't fish for lakefront perch, yet just like his ally local :crazy: yokal, would insert himself into the discussions to dictate forum decorum. I usually addressed him as 'nud.' I do think his name may have inspired the great name Courtneylovesperch. If so, that's the only good thing we can say about nud.



Nikster

...the right wing, crazy gun nut. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but he was so radical and so non PC. We had the Sesame Street incident when his head exploded because Obama was on a CLF page. Then he posted a pic of the underwear lady which was his wife's friend posing with the assault rifle in her underclothes. Also his slanderous story of meeting me at the lakefront which never happened. I don't think he fished much because he rarely talked about fishing, but his avatar was of a boat. He spent most of his time starting threads in the "Sound off/Non-fishing related" forum. His topics and ravings would make Rambler's head melt. Guns, guns and more guns. Political/voting threads. Anti-immigrant threads. Global warming discussions. He even started a thread of Mexican jokes and listed 10 or 20 of them. Basically, anything controversial. Not really to start a war. He was clueless and had no filters.

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big saw

I never understood the name. Really nothing wrong with it. I love tools and I love saws. Big saw was both. No write-up for him here as there's already enough in this thread. He's only mentioned because 'dope' was his favorite word. He often referred to me as Dopasaurus. :lol:

big saw wrote: Kind of the dopasaurus response we've all come to expect from you. We all know you're perfect Ronnie you never catch a goby. Now go and look through your you tube collections and post a stupid picture and then go polish your kayak for next year.


big saw wrote:Try being nice as opposed to being a know-it-all DOPASAURUS !




local :crazy: yokal

A cute name, actually clever, except for the fact that he couldn't spell it correctly. {yokal} Thus a dopey name. We never brought it up or teased him that he didn't know how to spell his own name because he had exploding head syndrome and went into some kind of a rage fit every other day. Along with nud, local :crazy: yokal inserted himself in to the perch and salmon forums to dictate forum decorum. He never fished the lakefront and should have stayed out because it got ugly all the time. I do remember him getting banned for posting an obscene picture directed at me.

Yokes considered himself a pro on conservation and the arguments raged because of his dumb ideas. Some of the moronic ideas spilled over onto WCF. He disliked city folks as a whole considering them arrogant because of their irresponsible toilet flushing and air pollution affecting those away from the city. (like as if anyone has any control of where their wastewater goes or that they need to drive a car to get to work or go buy some groceries). I guess mostly as a payback for their eco-sins, he pushed the idea that the Chicago River & SS canal should be reversed and the waste be pumped out into Lake Michigan. That would put the waste of 9.5 million right there a mile or two from the intake of their drinking water. If that was a genius idea, God would have connected our anuses to one nostril and our urethras to the other nostril. Not to mention, that would be the gateway to infest the entire Great Lakes with Asian carp. Dare to disagree, and Yokes would blow up in all caps, yelling and screaming and calling you A CYBER STALKER!!!!!!!!

local :crazy: yokal spent his final days on CLF decomposing. Just like big saw who deleted many, many posts and replaced all the text with 'edited', Yokes removed much of his "knowledge and fish theories" and replaced scores of posts with "???".

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mops7

Previously discussed. Not worth typing about. Dumb name. We called him Mopes because he was so mopey. Backstabber - after I showed him all my hard-learned ice fising insights to an obscure, dangerous, calciferous spring fed lake with current, Mopes paid me back by posting untrue smears. Insulted every video I ever made. Miserable, angry guy who posted about wanting to kick everyone in the nuts. Professed fancy chef by day, dog turd pickerupper and snow shoveler by day. I'm not demeaning someone for working hard or for whatever they do for work, for then I'd be no better than Poorboy. It's just that a chef voluntarily handling stale turds is just plain gross.


Bossofbeefbowl

Nothing really bad to relay about this guy, except his awful, awful screen name. The worst on CLF. I think I pressed him for an explanation, but never got a real answer. He fished a tiny bit, but not much



I'm sure there's other dopey names, but that's a few I can remember. CLF took down the member list so we can't scroll through the names any more. You guys have any?

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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby Fishy Bitch » Mar Mon 09, 2020 4:33 pm

You can talk about blu for years and people still wouldn't get him.
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby bobberwatcher » Mar Mon 09, 2020 5:09 pm

I tried to check out that site years ago before finding wcf but it just wouldn't load. Thank goodness for small favors.
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby Rambler » Mar Mon 09, 2020 5:29 pm

I don't have the time or the patience to wade thru all of this stuff. But I've skimmed enough (in spite of all my misgivings) to know there were some mighty sorry characters on CLF in the "old days" - maybe they're still there.

But it truly worries me about my fellow human beings - and especially fisher people - to know anyone would lie, cheat and worse in an attempt to impress others. I mean, you gotta be one sorry, insecure SOB to feel the need to go thru all the crap those idiots did.
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby cletedius » Mar Mon 09, 2020 7:15 pm

Bassin' Ted wrote:This is a hot button topic I have seen guys argue strongly about before. Personally, I have never understood why there is an expectation to tip a guide. They set their prices and rarely does anyone think they are inexpensive. The two times I have gotten a guide I did tip but I didn’t really think I should have.
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I think I understand where your coming from, & do mostly agree with you. Its certainly NOT inexpensive & nor should a guide "EXPECT" a 10-15-25% tip for doing their job & fullfilling their bare-minimum obligation of safely taking the customer fishing for the day.

The most common gripe I hear of a tip-based system is : "why dont they just set a rate that includes what they need to get, charge that price, & do away with the whole tipping thing!"
OK, lets try it!
I feel pretty confident in saying that any guide, capt or mate in the fishing biz is angling to get at least a 20% tip at the end of the day, but is satisfied @ 15%, thrilled @ 25%( or at least should be) & somewhat disappointed @ 10%. Using those numbers, a guide takes his 400$ daily-rate ( a price that he originally set expecting conventional tips) & says to his customers " keep your tips, & my new rate is 460$/day. I use 460$ as a "satisfactory" compromise-point between what he hopes for & minor dissapointment. :D.

At the end of the rate-adjusted trip, you were unhappy or disappointed, felt the guide was an a-hole & put forth a weak effort. No problem, hand him his 460$, offer an insincere "thanks" , & walk away. Honesty is hard to express in certain situations, and in the case of a fishing guide, almost nobody will ever tell a guide they sucked even if thats how they felt. Easier yet, though, is when settling up with the guide, who in your opinion did a poor job, or was just an a-hole, is when he tells you the total is 400 "not including the tip", you can then reach out , look him in the eye, hand him 410$ & just wait to see if he has the balls to say anything about it. As awkward as it is for a customer to tell a guide he was awful, its equally awkward for a guide to confront a client over a light tip. At that point, do you really care about offending the guide? Me either.

The other scenario is when you do rate+tip, and the guide goes above & beyond his minimal obligations to deliver the day "YOU" were after, treats you with class & respect, adjust his program around your objectives instead of expecting you to conform to his.
The tip is your way of saying how much you appreciated (or not) their efforts, & provides the incentive to go above & beyond his actual obligations to you, all the while leaving it up to the customer to decide whats appropriate vs deciding FOR the customer whats appropriate. Seems odd to me that 1 would want to give up that little piece of control.

-Pay 460$ to a d-bag guide & walk away bitter?
Or
-Pay the same d-bag guide 400 or 410 &still walk away bitter, but at least you have the satisfaction of telling him he sucked by way of your tip.
Or
-pay a good, attentive guide his 400 rate + an extra 15% or 20%for going beyond his actual obligations because he is incentivized by how his customers view his efforts. In the end, your paying the d-bag the same as the good guide, the difference is 1 lets you decide what is appropriate & the other decides for you.

Having stood on both sides of this line, IMO, the only appeal of a "flat-rate" price for:
1.The guide: a guaranteed built-in tip, regardless of performance or
effort
2.The client: the lack of pressure or obligation to reward the guide for excellent service, effort, or results.

I cant see how the mix of these 2 works to either the guides or his clients benefit, unless 1 or the other is expecting something they are not willing to pay/work for.


Now.......im tired :crazy:
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby vman01 » Mar Mon 09, 2020 10:14 pm

mikeyd wrote:Believe it or not, this bait was the real deal. I ordered 20 of these at $1.10 a piece and took them up to the Sturgeon Bay shipping canal in 2013. Half of them were dead on arrival and wouldn’t float. 1/4 of them would last a fish or two or crack upon brushing against any hard surface.


"CDS" I had to walk out to the shop and see if I still had some. Did the same as Mikeyd when I saw them on the Bay at $1.10. The CLF guys were posting these up next to piles of fish back then. I registered but never ended up posting after seeing what was going on. Briefly entertaining.
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby cletedius » Mar Mon 09, 2020 11:32 pm

SpecialEd wrote:
Then there was his attitude... I've never seen or heard anyone talk to their parents like that before. I've spent a lot of time with some straight-up a-holes and in all my years I have never heard anyone speak this disrespectfully to another human being. .


Did he by chance vacation in the bahamas as a youth?
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby joetrain » Mar Tue 10, 2020 6:00 am

^^^^ sign that kid up for marine boot camp. Should do the trick. Kudos to the captain. Parents suck too.
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby Aux Pleins » Mar Tue 10, 2020 6:06 am

SpecialEd wrote:
SmalliesNEyes wrote:
He always rubbed me the wrong way. He was so egotistical, and everything.... literally everything was about him, how good he was, what he was doing, the direction he was heading, etc. Just like Ron said.

I've never liked him, never really got along with him, and looking at his guide page, like FishinMatt said, just reaffirms why I didn't like him, and never got along with him. :lol:


Don't get me started on Ragas... So much history there and none of it is good.

Fished with him once in N. WI. I was a guest of his to his grandparent's cabin, and I probably should have taken him home as soon as we hit the highway. That was when he told me that I needed to cover groceries, food, and gas in my SUV (towing his boat) and he would let me stay in the cabin. :roll:

Then there was his attitude... I've never seen or heard anyone talk to their parents like that before. I've spent a lot of time with some straight-up a-holes and in all my years I have never heard anyone speak this disrespectfully to another human being. I was so offended, I resolved to spend the rest of the trip completely separated from him.

I've heard he is doing good up in WI now. That's fine and all, I only hope that his parents stayed in IL and have some kind of reprieve from the verbal beratings that kid subjected them to.


Wait a spoiled brat from Hinsdale? Sounds about right, I always got the same vibe from him. Was entertaining to see him on Gillespie's fishing show a couple years ago and everyone caught a fish except him.
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby SpecialEd » Mar Tue 10, 2020 7:27 am

Aux Pleins wrote:
SpecialEd wrote:
SmalliesNEyes wrote:
He always rubbed me the wrong way. He was so egotistical, and everything.... literally everything was about him, how good he was, what he was doing, the direction he was heading, etc. Just like Ron said.

I've never liked him, never really got along with him, and looking at his guide page, like FishinMatt said, just reaffirms why I didn't like him, and never got along with him. :lol:


Don't get me started on Ragas... So much history there and none of it is good.

Fished with him once in N. WI. I was a guest of his to his grandparent's cabin, and I probably should have taken him home as soon as we hit the highway. That was when he told me that I needed to cover groceries, food, and gas in my SUV (towing his boat) and he would let me stay in the cabin. :roll:

Then there was his attitude... I've never seen or heard anyone talk to their parents like that before. I've spent a lot of time with some straight-up a-holes and in all my years I have never heard anyone speak this disrespectfully to another human being. I was so offended, I resolved to spend the rest of the trip completely separated from him.

I've heard he is doing good up in WI now. That's fine and all, I only hope that his parents stayed in IL and have some kind of reprieve from the verbal beratings that kid subjected them to.


Wait a spoiled brat from Hinsdale? Sounds about right, I always got the same vibe from him. Was entertaining to see him on Gillespie's fishing show a couple years ago and everyone caught a fish except him.


He'd be quick to correct you saying he was from Westchester, and you better not forget it. :roll:
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby SmalliesNEyes » Mar Tue 10, 2020 7:59 am

SpecialEd wrote:He'd be quick to correct you saying he was from Westchester, and you better not forget it. :roll:


:lol:

What a chode.
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Postby SmalliesNEyes » Mar Tue 10, 2020 8:41 am

Anyone else notice staying logged in isn't working today, and posts are disappearing?
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Re: A missive from CLF for the ages

Postby FishinMatt » Mar Tue 10, 2020 8:53 am

cletedius wrote:
SpecialEd wrote:
Then there was his attitude... I've never seen or heard anyone talk to their parents like that before. I've spent a lot of time with some straight-up a-holes and in all my years I have never heard anyone speak this disrespectfully to another human being. .


Did he by chance vacation in the bahamas as a youth?
https://youtu.be/zoNGRoTo-rE


Holy shit, I could not even make it through the whole video.
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