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Possible relief for small boat trailer owners.

Postby Aux Pleins » Jun Tue 01, 2021 4:45 pm

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Postby FishinMatt » Jun Tue 01, 2021 4:52 pm

Still double the price of the old cost but I'm glad something is being done.
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Postby Luckydawg13 » Jun Tue 01, 2021 4:57 pm

This is awesome news I had to give my utility trailer away last year just couldn't swing tags for that and my boat
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Postby Neverhome » Jun Wed 02, 2021 8:54 am

Doubling the price is still crazy for something you might use for a couple months a year. By the way 150,000 people did not renew their stickers this year.
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Postby Grain » Jun Wed 02, 2021 11:45 am

Neverhome wrote:By the way 150,000 people did not renew their stickers this year.

That's actually surprisingly low.
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Postby Rambler » Jun Wed 02, 2021 11:58 am

Neverhome wrote:Doubling the price is still crazy for something you might use for a couple months a year.

$36 sounds pretty reasonable to me. But then I use canoes. The state stopped charging for them 2 - 3 years ago.
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Postby charliebravo77 » Jun Wed 02, 2021 1:03 pm

This is some good news. I was looking at building up a small trailer for my canoes/kayaks and the title/registration fees would cost damn near as much as the Harbor Freight trailer I was looking at building.
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Postby Lip_Yanker » Jun Wed 02, 2021 4:04 pm

Good news. Now lets get some relief for vehicle registrations too. I'm tired of paying $258.00 a year for my truck tag.
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Postby Rambler » Jun Wed 02, 2021 4:35 pm

Yanker - good luck with that. Chances are that as climate change becomes more apparent states will jack up license costs on gas guzzlers to discourage their use.
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Postby tacklebox » Jun Wed 02, 2021 6:44 pm

Too bad you can't get your two years of over payment back, but at least they did something about it.
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Postby Grain » Jun Thu 03, 2021 9:58 am

Rambler wrote:Yanker - good luck with that. Chances are that as climate change becomes more apparent states will jack up license costs on gas guzzlers to discourage their use.


That's not what they want to do, they want to force you to install a GPS transmitter and charge you by the mile.

Also, it has been a source of puzzlement for me for years that backward Republican Michigan bases it registration fee on the age-adjusted value of the vehicle, and progressive Democratic Illinois just slaps a regressive flat fee, be it Escort or Bentley.
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Postby Lip_Yanker » Jun Thu 03, 2021 10:06 am

Rambler- Yeah, I know, wishful thinking on my part. Another thing that really irks me, is all the vehicles I see around that are plated incorrectly and get away with paying lesser fees. If the state would enforce the law, they could collect even more money. But again, wishful thinking on my part perhaps.

Unfortunately not everyone can drive a Subaru or Prius to get things done. I have a Focus I use for a commuter/runabout... but I can't haul 4 x 12 sheets of drywall or 2 yards of topsoil or 16' 2 x10s etc. in that- so the F250 comes in to play. But I guess it's ok to make the working class pay though eh? Also my truck is 20 years old and has less than 50,000 miles on it... so not like I'm really tearing up the roads in my opinion.

I won't even get in to the climate issue, because it'll more than likely turn political as per usual. And I don't want Man Bear Pig to come a knocking on my door. :lol:


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Postby Rambler » Jun Thu 03, 2021 3:49 pm

Grain makes good points. Charging by the mile or by age-adjusted vehicle value make much more sense. But I'm not holding my breath for IL to implement anything like that.

And yeah, small cars are great but not for everything. When GM Ford, etc. bring out their fully electric pickups it'll be a game changer - in spite of their cost.
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Postby Luckydawg13 » Jun Thu 03, 2021 4:33 pm

Well thinking like that then my property taxes should be lower seeing as my kids are no longer in school right :idea: maybe I can just remove a bathroom :mrgreen:
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Postby Rambler » Jun Thu 03, 2021 4:56 pm

Lucky: Fat chance. Wanna lower your property taxes? Change zip codes. We left Oak Park last Summer (almost a year already- really?) for North Riverside. Our property taxes dropped by over 50%. Vehicle insurance went down too. 3/4 of the house but so what? Kids are grown & on their own. Better locarion too - 1/2 block from Salt Creek. All good. :D

PS, 3 blocks from my daughter & granddaughters. Even better.
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Postby oldsalt » Jun Thu 03, 2021 5:00 pm

The newer pickup trucks gas milage is not bad,my ram has cylinder deactivation, turns into a 4 cylinder,I got 25mpg on the way up to the Chip last year.The electric vehicle is not the answer, still uses a battery,so many problem with that.
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Postby Rambler » Jun Thu 03, 2021 5:01 pm

Back to Grain's points. It's entirely possible that age-related license costs will be implemented in reverse. To encourage people to buy electrics licenses for older vehicles will cost more.

You heard it here 1st.
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Postby Rambler » Jun Thu 03, 2021 5:08 pm

Salt: yep, there are issues with electric vehicles. But for short-haul or limited-use (like yanker) they make sense. I'm not saying gas is going away - at least not for several years - but electric technology will improve consistently and will be the norm sooner than we know. Ford & GM aren't putting their eggs in the electric basket for shits & giggles.
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Postby FloridaRigger » Jun Thu 03, 2021 5:10 pm

I said F it and took my plates off last week. my boat trailer is staying in Wisconsin until they lower the cost. no registration/plates needed under 3000lbs
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Postby Luckydawg13 » Jun Thu 03, 2021 5:13 pm

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I agree with you about changing zip codes after we retire probably moving to Tennessee
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Postby Rambler » Jun Thu 03, 2021 5:21 pm

Cool. Move as close as possible to the Smokies and take up fly fishing. You won't be sorry.
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Postby Luckydawg13 » Jun Thu 03, 2021 5:51 pm

Fly fishing is something that I really want to do it's on my list :D
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Postby FishinMatt » Jun Thu 03, 2021 6:50 pm

Going green is a huge money industry. Always follow the money. In my prior career I worked for a large global brand and of course we took the initiative to "go green." I always thought it was a politically correct initiative and something to attract young progressive customers to our brand. Anyways, we spent millions of dollars on cleaning products that did not clean anything and different dispensers that saved minimal waste. A few years later our branch went broke and got shut down. I had already left but felt bad for my friends still with the company. That was just one of several bad decisions made in a few year time span.
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Postby oldsalt » Jun Thu 03, 2021 7:09 pm

Two boat trailers gets costly,especially when the boat on one trailer is not worth a hundred dollars,looks like I can keep it now at least. I wonder if Jb has a trailer for his boat that he keeps in wisconsin.
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Postby matt_ski » Jun Thu 03, 2021 8:20 pm

I laugh when I see people referring to electric vehicles and electric everything as green. They don’t directly pollute but the energy still needs to be generated by power plants. Just wait 10-20 years, we will have no clue what to do with all the battery waste. The ground will be polluted from lithium mining. I wonder what then.
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Postby Grain » Jun Thu 03, 2021 8:28 pm

Luckydawg13 wrote:Well thinking like that then my property taxes should be lower seeing as my kids are no longer in school right :idea: maybe I can just remove a bathroom :mrgreen:

Taking out a toilet takes 30 minutes. Jabba saved what, $40-50k per each?

matt_ski wrote:I laugh when I see people referring to electric vehicles and electric everything as green. They don’t directly pollute but the energy still needs to be generated by power plants. Just wait 10-20 years, we will have no clue what to do with all the battery waste. The ground will be polluted from lithium mining. I wonder what then.

AOC did promise us the end of the world in about that time span :) However, I think they'll sort out lithium recycling.
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Postby matt_ski » Jun Thu 03, 2021 8:41 pm

Grain wrote:
Luckydawg13 wrote:Well thinking like that then my property taxes should be lower seeing as my kids are no longer in school right :idea: maybe I can just remove a bathroom :mrgreen:

Taking out a toilet takes 30 minutes. Jabba saved what, $40-50k per each?

matt_ski wrote:I laugh when I see people referring to electric vehicles and electric everything as green. They don’t directly pollute but the energy still needs to be generated by power plants. Just wait 10-20 years, we will have no clue what to do with all the battery waste. The ground will be polluted from lithium mining. I wonder what then.

AOC did promise us the end of the world in about that time span :) However, I think they'll sort out lithium recycling.


The same way they figured out carbon capture?
It won’t pay so they won’t figure it out. They’ll just invent something new and shiny to grab our attention.
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Postby Grain » Jun Thu 03, 2021 10:36 pm

matt_ski wrote:They’ll just invent something new and shiny to grab our attention.

Like Megabass!
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Postby RonG » Jun Fri 04, 2021 12:26 am

matt_ski wrote:I laugh when I see people referring to electric vehicles and electric everything as green. They don’t directly pollute but the energy still needs to be generated by power plants. Just wait 10-20 years, we will have no clue what to do with all the battery waste. The ground will be polluted from lithium mining. I wonder what then.


Yeah, like those moronic compact fluorescent light bulbs they forced on us while banning the old incandescent bulb. Each compact fluorescent bulb loaded with mercury. They tried to rationalize all the mercury by comparing the amount of mercury to the amount in the old thermometers. But who was throwing into the trash billions and billions of thermometers like the CFL bulbs were? How stupid! I'd buy those dumb bulbs and on the package it would say they were supposed to last 5-10 years. I never got a single year out of any of them before they burned out. Thank God LEDs came out and quickly dropped in price.

Lithium? Bad stuff, unless prescribed by a doctor to combat undue paranoia or depression over '"climate change." In the environment, it's as bad as the rest of the heavy metals in all the solar panels that never last as long as they are claimed to last either. I'll take some carbon (4th most abundant element in the universe) or some carbon dioxide any day over mercury, lithium and heavy metals. The dangers of lithium mining as compared to fracking are shocking.
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Postby Aux Pleins » Jun Fri 04, 2021 5:45 am

Going Green, Climate Change, whether you're skeptical on these topics or you believe what you've read so far on them I recommend watching the fairly new documentary "Planet of the Humans" by Jeff Gibbs.

Matt touched on the subject of following the dollars and I think Gibbs documentary touches on it perfectly. Now I know Michael Moore helped produce this documentary on the money side of things im sure but he had no involvement in the writing and makes no appearances in the film. And before you think this documentary is a flaming liberal ball of shit, know that Michael Moore took heat from all his liberal buddies for this film because it exposes most of lies and science involved in green energies. And it follows the money, and you would never guess who is behind all these new sham green energies. Moreover, its a sad film because it really paints an unhopeful future for mankind and the planet.

The film is free on youtube.
https://youtu.be/Zk11vI-7czE

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Postby matt_ski » Jun Fri 04, 2021 8:43 am

I did see this movie before. I find that it is best to tune out the narration and absorb just the the information when watching these kinds of films.
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Postby Woohoodude11 » Jun Fri 04, 2021 9:59 am

Is electric really the answer, though? States like Illinois where a shitload of our energy is Nuclear, sure. But what about a majority of states where their energy comes from coal? I'm not 100% versed on how much cleaner coal energy can be, plus I've considered going electric since I've moved substantially closer to work, but it just seems like an equal trade-off imo.

Didn't Illinois jack the shit out of registration on electric vehicles to cover what they aren't paying in gas taxes too? Leaves zero motivation to switch.
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Postby Grain » Jun Fri 04, 2021 12:28 pm

Woohoodude11 wrote:Didn't Illinois jack the shit out of registration on electric vehicles to cover what they aren't paying in gas taxes too? Leaves zero motivation to switch.


It's only $100. As for EV, if uncle Joe tosses me 7k to buy a Model 3, I would so absolutely consider it.

EDIT: Might turn into a $12.5k credit. That would make it a no-brainer.
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Postby oldsalt » Jun Fri 04, 2021 2:09 pm

ITER------FUSION. MAKE A SUN ON EARTH,CONTAIN IT.
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Postby Rambler » Jun Sat 05, 2021 12:56 pm

Yep. If / when they crack the fusion nut it will be a game changer. Read somewhere an inch of water off San Francisco Bay would power the US for 50 years.
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Postby Aux Pleins » Jun Sat 05, 2021 2:17 pm

Let's face it electric vehicles are not the future but the present. Everytime I fill up my 36 gallon tank in my f150 Im starting to feel like the guy who still shows up at sunrise to cut 5inches of ice on the Chain with his old leaky gas powered auger that has Flowmaster exhaust. Thousands a year wasted on gas, oil changes, if you're really unlucky emission repairs. Did I mention my f150 holds 9qts of oil :shock: :shock: . Once you get past the no sound deal as a gear head, you totally understand everything about an electric motor is better than combustion. Power / revolutions is not even close.

Guarantee electric bills won't be in the thousands when u have to charge your car once week with 300mile range. Charging stations are everywhere. As for the environment, gas or electric, they're both toxic for the environment. You know whats more toxic for the environment than cars? People. Too many people on this planet for any kind of a sustainable future for mankind. Population is the dagger. Climate change is just the bleed out. We could all stop driving and it wouldn't make a difference in terms of sustainability. The harming comes the amount food needed for 8billion. Not just talking cow farts, we are talking deforestation.

Which brings me back to my point, I wouldn't get an electric car to save the environment. I would get it to stop burning money.
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Postby RonG » Jun Sat 05, 2021 3:21 pm

Rambler wrote:Read somewhere an inch of water off San Francisco Bay would power the US for 50 years.


Too many condoms in that bay for that to ever happen. For the time being, they could just harvest them and burn them for fuel or make tires out of them. Whitewalls, I guess.
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Postby oldsalt » Jun Sat 05, 2021 3:34 pm

Rambler,you get it is the answer.Iter is not complete,but it is also obsolete, The Chinese project has done so,it will happen,the world needs to limp along for a 100to150 years,with Green Power,New Nuclear plants,Less consumption. This needs to be a global project,laws we donit like, freedoms taken away must happen,politics must be avoided .But it most likely wonit happen,Money, it's always about the Money,Were Fucked.I am just going to fish until I die,leave the planet's problem to the young people By the way good topwater bite below Algonquoin Dam,on Zara Spooks.
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Postby Rambler » Jun Sat 05, 2021 3:44 pm

Aux Pleins wrote:Which brings me back to my point, I wouldn't get an electric car to save the environment. I would get it to stop burning money.

Yep. In fact, I'm getting a quote on Tuesday for solar on my house (or garage). The house is in a perfect location - south-facing roofs get sun almost all day. I figure if it's even close to the same I'm paying ComEd (amortized) I'm doing it. I get 28% of the cost off my next income tax bill - that ain't chump change.

If everyone who can would go solar it would help a lot and to your point, save them a shit-load of money.

Salt - ITER may be our salvation. And for climate change doubters and "follow the money" there's got to be a reason why so much of it is being poured into fusion research. The people in charge of our planet know that if things don't change the jig is up.
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oldsalt wrote:Were Fucked.I am just going to fish until I die,leave the planet's problem to the young people By the way good topwater bite below Algonquoin Dam,on Zara Spooks.


This^^^^^
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Postby FishinMatt » Jun Sat 05, 2021 11:23 pm

joetrain wrote:
oldsalt wrote:Were Fucked.I am just going to fish until I die,leave the planet's problem to the young people By the way good topwater bite below Algonquoin Dam,on Zara Spooks.


This^^^^^


X2.

Rambler, the people in charge don't give a fuck about the environment, or you and I. Democrats and Republicans. It is all about money, power, and greed.
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Postby Rambler » Jun Sun 06, 2021 8:32 am

FishinMatt wrote:Rambler, the people in charge don't give a fuck about the environment, or you and I. Democrats and Republicans. It is all about money, power, and greed.

Matt: Wow - and here I thought I was a cynic.

Let me explain: By "People in charge of our planet" I'm not talking about politicians. The people who run our planet are in the private sector. And I'm not suggesting they give a shit about you, me or anyone else. But they do care about being able to sell us shit. If we're all dead we can't buy anything. That's why so much money is being invested in technologies that will preserve the planet and their ability to sell shit.

Ford, GM, etc. aren't investing millions into EVs and whatever comes next because they suddenly turned altruistic. And the money pouring into fusion research is for the same reason. It will be interesting to see how energy is priced when it becomes REALLY cheap to make.

Years ago I was visiting good friends who live a sort of alternative lifestyle in rural MN. They were having an argument over whether to have a dishwasher they were given installed. The wife was for it, my buddy was against. I asked him why he didn't want to have a dishwasher. He said it was because it used electricity & was bad for the environment.

I laughed & told him he was nuts. That the day after the earth runs out of coal, oil, gas, etc. Exxon & others will say, "Oh, we forgot to tell you about this - it's a box you put in your basement. You put water in the tank & electricity comes out the other side. You can lease it from us for $$$$ per year. Want one?"

Might be a bit simplistic but it's likely something like that scenario will play out. And a lot better than lying down & waiting for the world to bake - don't you think?
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Postby Grain » Jun Sun 06, 2021 10:53 am

Rambler wrote:If / when they crack the fusion nut it will be a game changer. Read somewhere an inch of water off San Francisco Bay would power the US for 50 years.

You don't even need fusion all that much - a bit more efficiency from solar would do it.

As to the electricity - it won't get cheap. There's something like $100B in fuel taxes collected annually. That's about $300 for every man, woman, or person who does not identify as either. It's more than our annual electricity bill, and comparable to what we spend on gas. Expect that to be replaced with higher electricity taxes.
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Postby Rambler » Jun Sun 06, 2021 11:40 am

This has gone sort of far off the original trailer tax thing hasn't it?
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Postby oldsalt » Jun Sun 06, 2021 12:07 pm

Naw,not at all,were still talking about a bunch of carps sucking our hard earned money out of our pockets.
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Postby Luckydawg13 » Jun Sun 06, 2021 7:22 pm

Well my feelings are you get what you Vote for and this State is pretty much controlled by Chicago and Springfield
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Postby Lip_Yanker » Jun Mon 07, 2021 4:38 pm

IMO, electric vehicles have their place, which is probably more urban based. Unfortunately, the range is a limiting factor in my opinion. Granted, with the new F150, they claim a 300 mile range with the extended battery option... which would get me close to the Northwoods where I fish- but then 12 hours charge time for a full tank again. As opposed to a fossil burner for 15 minutes at a fuel stop and I'm back in action for another 300+ miles right away. I do think it's cool you can draw power from the truck to your house in a disaster to keep things powered up and running.

I looked in to an electric motorcycle a few years ago, but again, the limited range vs. charge time was a discouragement to me. And to Aux's comment, I have not seen a charging station anywhere around out in DeKalb/Sycamore area. Again, maybe more of an urban thing?

Rambler- I hope your solar venture works out. We had our house assessed and they told us it was a no go. Baffles me as our roof is a low 4:12 pitch which faces East/West, little to no tree cover and bakes in the sun all day long Oh well, I tired at least.


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Re: Possible relief for small boat trailer owners.

Postby Aux Pleins » Jun Tue 08, 2021 6:15 am

Rambler wrote:
Aux Pleins wrote:Which brings me back to my point, I wouldn't get an electric car to save the environment. I would get it to stop burning money.

Yep. In fact, I'm getting a quote on Tuesday for solar on my house (or garage). The house is in a perfect location - south-facing roofs get sun almost all day. I figure if it's even close to the same I'm paying ComEd (amortized) I'm doing it. I get 28% of the cost off my next income tax bill - that ain't chump change.

If everyone who can would go solar it would help a lot and to your point, save them a shit-load of money.

Salt - ITER may be our salvation. And for climate change doubters and "follow the money" there's got to be a reason why so much of it is being poured into fusion research. The people in charge of our planet know that if things don't change the jig is up.


My mother went full send on the solar. Stuff is all over her roof. I just wonder how do you replace the shingles now? :shock:

Other than that, I really don't know the details on how much money she's saving.
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Re: Possible relief for small boat trailer owners.

Postby Rambler » Jun Tue 08, 2021 7:11 am

I'm concerned about shingles too. That's why I'm leaning toward putting the panels on the garage roof. We have a neighbor who did this.

BTW - it looks like you can finance it so that it's pretty much a wash cost-wise between solar & paying ComEd.
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Re: Possible relief for small boat trailer owners.

Postby Lip_Yanker » Jun Tue 08, 2021 7:51 am

When we looked in to it, they recommended if the shingles were at half life or more, to re-shingle prior to installation. Supposedly the solar panels have a 40 year life span, so the freshest roof is best to start with. Then you don't have to pay to move them and re-shingle anytime soon after initial install.

I roofed our house about 20 years ago and it's getting to the end of its service life. Next roof we get, will be metal... and I'm having it done by someone.
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