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Over the past year or so in order to maintain my good standing with the AACB (Amalgamated Assn of Cheap Bastards for you newbies) I have conducted a study of sorts of inexpensive spinning reels.

My motivations (in addition to my AACB membership) were: A) indentify a good match for my backup UL rod - a 6'6" Berkley Lightening Rod - and B) identify a good match for my 30+ year-old 7' Daiwa Samurai. For the record, when I bought this rod in the late 80s-early 90s it wasn't a low end rod like Samurais are now - nor was it their top-of-the-line but it was and still is a really nice rod. I'd put it aside for a few years & decided to get it out & use it again.

The 1st reel I tried with the Daiwa was an old Abu Garcia (pre Pure Fishing) Cardinal 853. This was in its day an almost revolutionary reel although not as much so as the Abu Suveran - both were ahead of their time. It had dual rear drag knobs, a fast cast trigger & the spool spun backwards in order to deliver the line right to your finger. Very cool. Unfortunately it lacked (as did most spinning reels of the time) an instant anti-reverse. I tried it on the Samurai & while the feel & balance were as good as I remembered the reel was a disappointment.

So next I tried (on both rods) Shimano Siennas. I put a 2500 on the Samurai & a 500 on the Berkley. Both reels were incredibly smooth for cheapos but also felt incredibly unsubstantial. When I took them apart I was not at all surprised to find them full of plastic parts including some gears. Clearly a way to cut cost but not so good for longevity. They also cut costs by making the knobs out of cheap plastic that gets really slippery when wet. Oops.

My next acquisition was a Daiwa QR750 for the Berkley. WAY better than the Shimano. Smooth and much more substantial feeling. This is what I still have on it.

As for the Samurai, my next move was to an Abu Black Max 3000. Bad move. Not very smooth and heavy. Also 5.1:1 is just a bit too slow for retrieving buzzbaits and other lures requiring speed. Sure, I could crank faster but I'm an old man so give me a break.

Next up was a Lew's Speed Spin. Better than the Abu but again, too slow. My most recent acquisition was another Lew's - a Custom XP. Very smooth (I've always liked Lew's) and with a 6.2:1 gear ratio it's plenty fast & the 2000 size (yeah, I know it's small) is a good match for the rod. I caught 4 bass (almost 5 but the last one was a dink - when I set the hook it flew over my canoe & kept going) at Busse on Thursday. I've spooled it with 8lb Spiderwire - all-in-all I'm extremely satisfied with it.

I found that all of these reels came lacking sufficient lubrication. Maybe that's one way the manufacturers control cost. Shame on them. If you're in the market for an inexpensive spinning reel (to be safe let's say under $75) be sure to put some good grease on the spindle & some good reel oil on the ball bearings before use.

I've also learned that some manufacturers have eliminated the reverse switch on some of their reels. This is mostly true of Shimano & Abu on their higher-end models which means in effect, you get less for more. I really don't get this.

And one more thing. Somwhere along the way I acquired an Abu CD 2000 - the Korean made version of the Suveran. Interesting reel that shows some radical thinking on the part of Abu engineers. I bought it used on eBay. Unfortunately testing on the DPR showed that the gears were trashed so I returned it. I'd consider buying a Suveran if I could find one at a 'reasonable' price. Unfortunately collectors love them so if I bought one I'd lose my AACB membership.

So it goes.
 
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Let me guess...you're in the plastics business. And another guess - you've seen 'The Graduate' a few times.:)

You might be right but way back my 1st spinning reel was a Waltco Nyolite. It was proudly advertised as being made from Dupont nylon. The gears wore out although admittedly it took years.
 
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Badger: I have a Kast King baitcaster. Bought it to replace the old Abu Ambassadeur level wind I had to give up on due to arthritis in my thumbs. It's pretty good although I don't use it much - it's better on my thumb than the Abu but still not great. Unfortunately Kast King's customer service sucks. More accurately, it's nonexistent. Of course Fenwick's customer service sucks as well.

Daiwa is different. When I had an issue with my Tatula rod I contacted them & they got back to me almost immediately. Very honest - told me it would take 6-8 weeks for them to fix it & it would be best if I had it fixed locally. I took it to Corens & got it fixed in 10 minutes not including drive time.
 
To me AACBing is more about buying quality gear cheap then about trying out sketchy or inconsistent brands. Like that time I snagged a pair of Curado K's for $180. Or a six-pack of jackhammers for under $60. But then again - I also buy Bearking braid, because it's been nothing but awesome.
 
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Grain: You're spot-on re quality for cheap but it's also about making sense.

Our spiritual founder Ted Williams one said, "Why would I spend $30 for a fishing shirt when I can get one for $5 at Sears that is just as good?"

This was back when $30 was real money & Sears was a real store.
 
My experience with Kast King has been Ok w/ customer service. All reels function well out of the box, no lube needed. I ordered a 2 piece rod - got sent a one piece instead. They gave me $10 credit which I took as the 2 piece was out of stock. My oldest reel with them is now 3 years. No service needed so far. So I would disagree with your "nonexistent".

I do agree, customer service is important.
 
The good ole days when Sears was a real store, girls were girls and men were men. Mr. we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again. Didn't need no welfare states, everybody pulled their weight, gee, our old Lasalle ran great... those were the days. And Zayre, and Ben Franklin and Gaylords and EconoMart and Monkey Wards. Oooops, got lost there in the past for a moment.

I find these days it's tougher being an AACB member, at least if you're purchasing newer gear. To much of it feeds the CCP, which is no bueno imo. As for the grease/lube in new reels... never found one that was ever lubed "well" from the factory, even mid to higher end models. I always would take them apart and clean out the peanut butter thick goop they slathered in at the factory. I've found Cal's Reel Grease and Yellow Rocket fuel work wonders on any reel bearings and drag clutches.

The elimination of the back spool feature was discussed a few years ago, most of the manufacturers said the majority of people didn't use it, so they eliminated it to save money. Kind of like years ago the auto manufacturers stopped painting the inside of the ashtrays to save $0.37 per unit and then mostly eliminated ashtrays from vehicles to save even more manufacturing $$$.
 
Discussion starter · #12 ·
Badger: Glad your experience was better than mine. My experience goes back several years so maybe they saw the light somewhere along the way.

Yanker: Maybe they think most people don't use the switch. Problem is I use it.
 
Discussion starter · #15 ·
Dawg: Better to have one & not need it than to need one & not have it.

Always aggrevates me when anyone makes decisions for me (or for anyone else).
 
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