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Busse Lake Musky

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#1 ·
Let me make two things perfectly clear before going into the point of this post...

1. This post is NOT meant to bash or question any WCF angler's ethics or methods, especially someone like George.
2. I completely understand & appreciate targeting a specific species when the odds seem somewhat stacked against you & having success nonetheless (like when I decided to try targeting pike on the DP 10 years ago based on a hunch). I admit the idea of catching a muskie, regardless of size, in a body of water so close to Chicago is quite inviting. The mystique of Andrew's walleye adventures on the Salt Creek system is something I find intriguing & am envious of.

However, being a dedicated & somewhat educated muskie angler, something rubs me the wrong way about targeting under-sized muskies. A lot of my ire is being drawn from only having experience muskie fishing in lake & river systems where there has been an established & sizable population for years prior to my angling experience, thus the Busse equation is one I'm not sure how to calculate. Amongst regular muskie hunters, targeting immature fish would generally be considered taboo & unethical.
In other systems, the goal of a muskie angler is to catch a true trophy, and any incidental catch of a an undersized fish is purely accidental. Minimum length limits are not only in place to limit harvest of immature fish, but to also protect younger fish when they can be more vulnerable to angling pressure & damage from hooks, handling, etc. Do those limits stop under-sized muskie from biting a lure? Absolutely not. But in such a unique situation like the budding Busse/Salt Creek muskie population where the capturing of immature, undersized fish can be prevented or purposely decreased, to me it only makes sense that ethical anglers like the ones here on WCF limit the chances of these fish being caught until they begin to reach legal & ultimately trophy size.
It will be impossible to not catch these fish on occasion. The growth rates & consequent appetites of these size fish can be insatiable. Should you feel guilty if you catch a beautiful & aggressive young muskie while fishing for bass or walleye? No. Should you get a thrill out of the catch of a small muskie caught accidentally, especially from Busse (where it never seemed possible)? Hell yes! Will it seem unfair to see unethical, uninformed anglers and/or bucketheads trying to catch these same fish? Of course, but that doesn't tempt us to poach fish or alter our angling practices when we currently experience it, does it?
Muskie are an extremely valuable resource that, when managed effectively by both the vendor (DNR) & the consumer (angler), can create monumental & unsurpassed angling opportunities. Look at how the advent of larger length limits & strict, self-disciplined catch & release practices have transformed fisheries like Lake of the Woods, Mille Lacs, Vermillion, Georgian Bay, & Lac Seul into 50" factories. I don't pretend to believe that Busse can or will reach 1% of the level of fishery that these lakes have. In fact, I'm extremely concerned the Busse experiment will fail. But muskie are not the same fish as a bass or walleye, thus the effect of catching multiple undersized muskie will have a far more adverse impact than catching & releasing undersized bass or walleye.

I hope I haven't ruffled any feathers or made any of you cross-eyed by my long rant. My goal of this post was to possibly educate & spark potential debate, or at least get you thinking. And again, I'm not questioning George's ability or ethics and have the utmost respect for him as a fisherman & outdoorsman. I welcome any feedback to my soapbox post, positive or negative. Until then, good fishing.

Alex
 
#27 ·
Yeah - I'm really curious where this date came from... the 23rd of May. Not a big deal...

That little piece of paper doesn't give you permission to target musky until May 23 so have as much fun as you want but don't get caught...
I went through the DNR book for 2009 and didn't see state or site specifics for Busse and Salt Creek with targeting muskie right now to be illegal :roll:
 
#31 ·
Now don't get me started on the pandora's box that's been opened by George sending his pic to channel 5 AND the Sun-Times... I don't have enough energy for that soapbox.

Alex[/quote]

No kidding, that really bothered me. Not that he caught the fish but that everyone and there mother are going to be fishing for them there cuz he had to send a pic to the news
 
#32 ·
I gotta say, if someone wants to musky fish, it just makes alot more sense to hunt them in a "musky lake". By that I mean a body of water with an established population that are mature and of course BIGGER! When it comes to musky fishin, I ain't lookin for 20 or 30 inchers. I don't think I'm alone here.
 
#33 ·
I posted on another site last year that stocking muskies into Busse was a bad idea... I have seen this body of water totally decline as a fishery since I was a kid and I am now 33 years old... I used to catch 11-13 inch crappies, bass along the shoreline, and northerns through the ice... I have fished it hard on several occasions the past couple of years from my boat, mainly in the south pool, and the results have been nothing more than utterly disappointing...

Busse is full of carp and catfish now... Heck, I have caught catfish on crankbaits, fishing for bass... There are still some largemouth in there, as we have seen from recent WCF tourneys... 4 and 5 pounders, however, I think are now extinct... The panfish are nothing to jump up and down about... There are still a few big walleye in there (or so it appears)... Lastly, I can't recall the last time I have seen a decent sized northern caught, hell, ANY northern caught... Also, somebody at work told me today that he knows of a carp event coming up that is set up in hope of removing carp from the lake for crying out loud... Carp population likely a reason the bass aren't what they once were there...

There a number of reasons that muskies should have never entered this body of water and if some of these upset people then so be it...

1. First of all, this is an overfished body of water that isn't policed very well at all... I can't even remember the last time I was ever checked there... I may have been a kid when it last happened and that was when my dad was checked... Too many people are walking outta there with everything they catch whether it is a keeper or not... Who knows how many illegal muskies have already gone home with somebody? Sad but pretty likely it is going on...

2. Next reason is a reason I addressed earlier today... Many of these fish are ending up in Salt Creek... The majority of these fish should have been stocked in the South Pool because as far as I know, there is no outlet for them in the south pool... Lord only knows how many are swimming down Salt Creek and how far they have already gone... Shabbona has this same issue but the difference is, they are doing something about it every year... Plus we all know what is swimming in Shabbona as it is a much more established, and taken care of muskie fishery... Who is going to put on their waders and starting walking down Salt Creek to go rescue a bunch of 25 inch muskies?

3. I have no issue with George because his reporting and posts are absolutely phenomenal, and I thorughly enjoy reading and viewing them... Sending the muskie photo to Channel 5 news though? Not sure I would have gone that route... Everybody and their mother fishes Busse as it is... Now, when more people see that musky are being caught out of Busse, all of their aunts, uncles, and cousins are now going to join them... Great photo and nice catch George, that is a beautiful looking fish but people who haven't fished Busse are gonna think, "Hey! look at this opportunity right in my back yard!" And who knows, that WWD might get a little more crowded this year as a result... This is going to attract some attention...

4. Last reason... What is the stocking program for this going forward? Only so many fingerlings make it... Hopefully not all the 11 inchers stocked don't figure out where the main dam is... And are the DNR's going to show their faces this year and ensure the integrity of this fishery that is already severely damaged?

This is just my take on this... Again I hope this doesn't piss off anyone as I hope some of you get something out of my posts but the situation on Busse is really disappointing... I agree with you guys who have an issue with targeting under sized muskie... If you are out there just to go fishing and happen to run into one, that is great, I am sure it will make for a terrific memory and great experience, I just hope you photograph it and return it right back into the water... These muskies are gonna need all the help they can get if they are ever going to thrive here... Tight lines... - BPM
 
#36 ·
Yeah you have to admit, George's fish is truly a beautiful fish... It has been a while since I have seen a muskie with such brilliant color to it... This makes this whole situation that much more frustrating...

Slider, I hope we do see a 5 pounder you caught outta there soon... It would definitely give us hope that the big bass are still thriving real well there... Then I will invite you to join me in my boat and we can go catch some more... :D - BPM
 
#37 ·
RonG said:
To me, it boils down to the reality of a hopeless situation. I see nearly zero chance of muskies surviving to make it to trophy size in that smelly, narrow poop creek. Even if the environment was conducive to growing trophy muskies, the odds are stacked that those fish will be going home in a bucket or inside of someone's coat to become fish soup long before they ever grow to size.
I just read a report of someone finding two gill nets planted in the creek. One had a dead musky in it and the 2nd a live musky and some walleyes in it. :evil:
 
#38 ·
RonG said:
RonG said:
To me, it boils down to the reality of a hopeless situation. I see nearly zero chance of muskies surviving to make it to trophy size in that smelly, narrow poop creek. Even if the environment was conducive to growing trophy muskies, the odds are stacked that those fish will be going home in a bucket or inside of someone's coat to become fish soup long before they ever grow to size.
I just read a report of someone finding two gill nets planted in the creek. One had a dead musky in it and the 2nd a live musky and some walleyes in it. :evil:
Woah, where did you read this!!!!!?????!!!???? :shock:
 
#40 ·
Thanks, I just went there... Actually... I am heading out to the wwd area soon. I might make a video of some bucketheads keeping undersize fish. Maybe if the DNR will see it. It might make a difference for the future... ;)
 
#45 ·
UnReal. I just heard about the nets down there.

Dave, if you find out more when your down there let us know.

Three years ago, I had a fight with a guy after I dumped his bucket of unsized Walleyes back into the creek on him. I told myself it wasn't with the risk anymore and I would just call the DNR for now on but I'd love to find these guys.

Kevin
 
#48 ·
RonG said:
I just read on yet another site, the DNR have already been there and pulled the nets. Lots of walleyes, a carp and a musky found. Not sure if they were found dead or alive.
Well the Fisherman that found this disaster and reported it said he hates to see those walleyes go to waste :( They could have survived, but probably died :cry:

I'm leaving to go to busse right now.

Quetico. I will report back if any activity of such is going on. Thanks for the concern. it means a lot. I am sck of these meat eaters...
 
#51 ·
NOT A MUSKY, BUT I SAID I WOULD GIVE A REPORT WHEN BACK :wink:

Well I am back, Since it is no secret anymore of the fishing out there. My buddy Rob picked up a walleye right off the bat. We walked the whole entire shoreline from the dam down to arlington heights road and back to the dam. Ran into 3 Musky fisherman out there with the bait-casters. 2 of them had Mepps Musky Killers on with steel leaders and another 1 with a steel leader with a Rapala jerk bait. I spoke to them and they said they read about it in the paper. Ran into a whole shit load of people and actually 5 guys I knew. Also talked to one guy at the dam that cauight a 22 inch muskie and then lost one around 30 inches. He said he would have kept the bigger musky if he landed it. He also was bragging about how good the walleye taste from there. me and him got into a little argument. What scared me is that he was using a st. croix with a Stratic reel. Throwing a J-13 at the dam. I said he is sick for eating walleye out of there. He tried explaining, he will take a limit of walleye home from busse and a limit of walleye from lake erie and they taste the same he said. I didn't look too hard for a stringer. But usually they will tie them around a rock as he was wading in the water to about 8 inches by the rocks. He had his water-lugs on his feet. That's why I hate fishing busse from shore.

Me and Rob Busse had a big discussion about it and are heart broken by all the musky that are locked up down there. Maybe we all should do an outing and catch a few and release them back up into the main lake before it's too late. The bucketheads seem to be catching them. I also heard of one idiot going around and screaming of musky being caught and telling these buckethead guys where and on what. This place is done for.

This walleye nailed his lure and ingulfed it. It came out easy with pliers but it got him in the gill a little bit. He took off just fine.
 

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