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#1 ·
Since before the river ever even entered my stream of consciousness as a viable option for fishing...I have been a self professed nut for spinnerbaits.

I used to burn them down shorelines and smash them into submerged rocks and logs and at night I would slow roll them through the landlocked bodies of water local to me.

Then I found the river...and suddenly things like weight and balance became of greater significance once current factored into the equation.

I went through many brands...from the $1 Wal-Mart Cheapies to Terminator T1's and 2's to Lucky Craft and River2Sea and pretty much everything in between before settling on Picasso brand lures.

I still have to laugh when I read comments saying spending anything more than a buck on a spinnerbait is a waste...and that there is no difference between brands.

There is.

And for anyone to say otherwise simply demonstrates their lack of experience and expertise in this particular style of lure selection.

A cheap bait will work when they are on a blade bite...but a good bait will induce strikes even when seemingly nothing else will work.
Such has been my experience with the Picasso brand...so this year when I went looking to replenish and refresh my selection of offerings I was surprised to see them almost completely out of stock at most of the big online suppliers.
An even bigger disappointment was finding the PicassoOutdoors website completely devoid of anything but jigs and weights.

So it was without choice that I found myself having to take a chance on something new.

War Eagle is a brand I've had recommended to me by a few friends...and after reading countless positive reviews of them over the years I decided to give them a shot.

War Eagle Screaming Eagle....
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This morning (June 1st 2011) would be my first opportunity with this (new to me) lure.

I started on the East side of the river...first cast I noticed the vibration felt different than what I'm used to...a bit more subdued but it did seem to hold it's own in the current without rolling. I walked upstream a few steps letting the bait work downstream behind me.
I made it about 6 steps or so before I got hit so hard it nearly ripped my Med action bass rod out of my grip.
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Credit where credit is due...this next shot brought to you by PowerPro...
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...because without it I'd just be another one of those guys unconcernedly telling you how I lost my shiny new toy to a toothy critter much to large to be landed on the tackle I had selected.
I'm not a fan of adorning fish with unwanted jewelry and leave that designation to you monofilament guys ;)

Back to topic though..
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...this damn thing don't work
. :p

At least not on bass...like I was assured it would. :wink:

If you look close at that last picture you'll notice she absolutely mangled it.
I didn't have any pliers to properly twist it back into shape so I did the best I could by hand...and decided to journey to the East side to see if I could fare any better.

No big girls but a few dinks and...
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Mega Dinks...
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...have me convinced that this Spinnerbait might have some potential.

At least on the East side.

GoodFishin'

Darth

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#27 ·
Hey 1080 that Core/Cumara combo is on my G.A.S. short list...congrats on the set up.

I personally wouldn't bother with a leader (or backing for that matter) but if I were for some reason so inclined I'd use a uni to uni knot...


Remember to get comfortable with the drag on your new reel...your rod will probably break before that line does...so let the reel/drag handle the heavy lifting =)

Good luck out there!

Cranked...that is pure unadulterated awesomey goodness...I have a new avatar!
 
#28 ·
Thanks DW!!!! I was going to put a leader on and I did use a uni to uni knot. Seem extremely strong but I think with the rain the water will not be as clear as it normally would so tonight I am going to take the leaders off. The drag on that reel is very smooth. I will set it light as I know there are some good sized fish in Delavan and definitely do not want to break the rod. It is really nice and I am lucky to be able to have such a nice setup. Thanks for all the advice once again, you guys are the bomb!!!!!! :mrgreen:
 
#29 ·
This is an extremely easy knot to tie and works great. I did take the leaders off and just tied straight to the power pro. Hope the morning up at Delavan is as forecasted, mostly cloudy all morning and that will hopefully keep some of the power boaters in bed a little extra tomorrow. Delavan looked to be clean as well and the clouds will also help there. Will report tomorrow if we get out as planned.
 
#32 ·
Agreed...looks like a fairly decent "line to lure" knot Tater....though personally I rely on a version of the double improved cinch/clinch for in the field line to lure connections...mostly because it has never ever slipped or failed.
If I'm rigging up at home the night before or tying up an expensive lure I go with the Bucher/bass solo knot :D

Wanted to hit the rest of the responses....

jwojo2 said:
Man, fish must tremble in fear as you approach the water! :D

Any of you guys ever try the Assassinator Clacker spinnerbaits? I just ordered a handful to try them out.
Nah..they come runnin' to get they kisses and jump into my arms :p
Haven't tried the Assassinators but look forward to your review of them :wink:

SpecialEd said:
We should talk...
Shoot me an email brother..what's up?

jaypee said:
is that a Diawa Samuari reel??????
BR and AFV already nailed this but yeah it's the Viento...it ain't no Chronarch 50Mg (man I miss that reel) but I'm still digging it.

I think that's all the Q's...

One more thought on line choice 1080...even in clear water if you're fishing reaction lures I don't think fish have the time to react negatively to a more visible line like braid...not to mention the brain power to discern or assess it as something to avoid.
Might be different if you're dangling live bait or something in front of their noses for extended periods of time.
But I still think they're too stupid to figure it out :D

Thanks again guys! =)
 
#34 ·
samurai said:
Osprey wrote:
That looks like a great line to hook knot but for a line to line connection I think the double-uni knot is the best.

This, although what they showed in the video, finally, was basically a uni with 2 passes through the eye.
Agreed, my only concern would be that while the the Double Uni Knot on account of its small diameter will reel up on the spool without causing any problems. The same may not be true of the Fish N Fool Knot since it will almost certainley have a larger diameter, only a little experimenting will tell for sure.

I hate to play the role of Debbie Downer but... There is no fishing line panacea, period. I have been paying attention to what the pros' have to say about line and it goes something like this: The benchmark line type is still single strand extruded nylon monofilament or "Mono", this goes for all performance factorse not just tensile strength and stretch.

No single line is suited to all situations or presentations.

A favorable characteristic of a particular line in one situation may be a problem in another.

Strength is not a primary consideration when choosing a line. A quality drag system and angler skill should be mitigating factors to a "weaker" line type.

As an example Power Pro is a braided Dyneema line and like all Dyneema lines it floats, a distinct disadvantage when using a light finesse pressentation because of the reduced feel.

Just my 2 1/2 cents.
 
#36 ·
Here's your change back brother :p

Osprey said:
Strength is not a primary consideration when choosing a line. A quality drag system and angler skill should be mitigating factors to a "weaker" line type.
Unfortunately the assumption that every angler has the experience and skill to perform with minimally rated line types or even the means to purchase "quality" gear with high performance drag systems is an unrealistic expectation...at best.

For the novice with modest gear a choice like braid can mean fewer lost lures to both snags and fish.
Which of course translates into fewer posts stating something like, " Oh man I had a MONSTER fish on but she snapped my line and swam off with my favorite crankbait!!!"

Osprey said:
As an example Power Pro is a braided Dyneema line and like all Dyneema lines it floats, a distinct disadvantage when using a light finesse pressentation because of the reduced feel.
Two points of clarification...
PowerPro is actually braided Spectra...and while Dyneema and Spectra are widely considered almost identical, they are not the same thing.
It's like giving credit to Jeff Buckley for composing "Hallelujah" (Leonard Cohen 1984) :-D

Secondly, it's undisputed that both Spectra and Dyneema "float", however.. the lines characteristics towards buoyancy are still subject to simple laws of physics. (For those interested in the science behind the concept see Archimedes' principle/treatise) For those not interested I can put it in layman's terms...as long as your presentation exceeds the weight of the line itself(and does not harbour it's own bouyant characteristics like a popper or Spook)...it will sink.

Also worth noting is that your presentation has to actually exceed the capillarity or surface tension of the water...a theory not covered in the treatise.

The term "light finesse presentation" is a bit broad and sweeping in generalization.
An unweighted Senko can be considered a finesse presentation as can a 1/16th 0z jig both of which perform fantastically with 2lb Dia braid IMO.
To put a fine point on it...in my experience and experiments with ice fishing jigs and power pro I found performance decreased exponentially as presentations diminished in weight below 1/16th0z.

Now as that relates to the original post...(targeting fish in faster current in efforts of avoiding spawning fish in slackwater)... I'd have to say if anyone is attempting to sink a 1/24th 0z ice fishing jig in fast current on braided line..you might want to get some sense about ya. :lol:

Having said all that...I personally believe anglers should try as many different types of lines as they can to form their own conclusions on what may or may not work for them in any given situation..and my occasional little digs on "Mono" guys shouldn't be interpreted as anything other than good natured ribbing. :wink:

Besides we all know you just can't teach an old dog new tricks. :p
 
#38 ·
I tried power pro for the first time last weekend and the stuff worked great. Took me a little bit to figure out the vbs braking on the new 50mg but once that was done the power pro exceeded my expectations. Extremely good castability and next to no memory off the reel. I tie polomar knots, improved clinch knots, and double uni knots and over the weekend at Delvavan I used the polomar knot with no leader. I caught fish enough to tell me I did not need a leader with the moss green power pro. The water was pretty clear on main lake and in bays were even clearer with 8-10 foot visibility. Even in the main lake with all the boat traffic Navyfisher posted a realease of a crappie and I posted my release of a small snake and one could see how clear the water was. I had no issues with the line or knots at all. I will say the I did loose my white spinnerbait and the knot slipped I think becasue I did an improved clinch knot. The power pro specifically states do not use a clinch knot because of the thin diameter and the line material can cause slippage. I had a nice northern hit, then I boated a small northern, then missed another one on a short strike. The next cast I got into some weeds and pulled; the bait came off. The line looked clean not like there was a knot even there, but the more I think about it, the more I think that lure was lost due to my habit of tying the improved clinch knot and being ignorant to high performance lines. I did make sure to tie polomar knots for the rest of the day and got a larger bass, about 2.25 lbs and he fought like crazy. The polomar knot held with no problems.