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This is an article from today's Chicago Tribune!! Guys let me know what you think?? Yes its true! My favorite lake front honey hole is going down the drain! I was interviewed by channel 2 news about my thoughts on this subject while I was out there fishing this afternoon and I hope too get involved in the process of restoring the pond, I would even volunteer to help clean up the pond, but I strongly disagree with a total fish kill off! I know that this online community can brainstorm and make great suggestions to these people.

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Not all creatures of zoo's pond to be saved

By William Mullen

Tribune reporter

October 23, 2008

Tribune reporter

Soon there will be winners and losers among the animals that make their home in Lincoln Park's South Pond, the popular 5.2-acre lake where generations of Chicagoans have plied its shallow waters in rented foot-powered paddle boats.

As part of a $12 million restoration project designed to turn the lake into a model Illinois freshwater habitat, naturalists with Lincoln Park Zoo have begun setting traps for turtles, frogs and other amphibians that live there. After being quarantined and tested for health, some of the animals will be given new homes and some will be kept for re-stocking the restored pond.

But the thousands of fish in the pond, many of them exotic, nonnative species such as koi and goldfish, will have to be destroyed when workers drain the shallow lake next month, zoo officials said Monday.

It is illegal to introduce nonnative species to the wild by moving them from the pond to public streams or lakes, say zoo and state officials. The fish in the pond's dirty water also are likely to carry viruses and bacteria that would discourage other public or private facilities from taking them on.

"It is an unsavory solution, no question," said Neal David, Lincoln Park Zoo's vice president of facilities. "The problem is no one wants to catch them and relocate them because of their unknown quantity and quality. The process of catching them up and putting them into transport tanks would result in significant die-off, anyway.

"So far as we can determine, [the fish kill] is the standard technique used all over the country when you are restoring a pond to its natural condition."

The historic pond that abuts the zoo's southern end traces its history to 1865, when the lakeshore area, still riddled with sand dunes, was set aside for parkland and the city dug a series of ponds among newly planted trees and lawns. The handsome Cafe Brauer restaurant hugging the pond's northwest end was added about 1910.

At its deepest spot, the water is about 6 feet deep, David said, but the pond averages only 3 feet in depth. Its shoreline is lined by now-crumbling retaining walls of steel-reinforced cement. Because the pond is so shallow, David said, fish have a difficult time surviving extremely cold winters as the water ices over.

Though the Park District owns the pond, the nonprofit Lincoln Park Zoological Society agreed this year to raise $12 million for the restoration, including a $2.5 million donation from the district. When the restoration is complete, the zoo will be in charge of the pond's maintenance and upkeep.

The zoo is inviting residents of the Lincoln Park neighborhood to an "open house" preview of the construction from 5:30 to 7 p.m. Tuesday in the zoo administration building, 2001 N. Clark St.

"In November we will begin lowering the depth levels of the pond, trapping up turtles, amphibians and other things we find, and we will put up construction fences," David said.

The zoo is creating a 14-acre outdoor wilderness classroom around the pond, which will remain outside the zoo and accessible to all park users. The artificial shoreline will be replaced with a natural sloping edge landscaped with native Illinois plants. That will give natural protection to the pond creatures and allow rainwater runoff from surrounding parkland to nourish the pond.

The plants also will act as a natural filter to cleanse the pond water. Dredging will deepen the pond up to 15 feet to increase the winter survival of fish.

The zoo plans to put up small wind turbines to supply power and will lay recycled-plastic boardwalks along the shoreline.

When a team from the Illinois Department of Natural Resources surveyed the pond's fish population this year, it netted 99 fish representing seven species.

Bluegill, largemouth bass, black crappie and channel catfish probably were stocked in the pond at one time for sport fishing.

The abundant nonnative decorative fish-koi and goldfish-likely were dropped in by pet owners who no longer wanted them. Sunfish were also placed in the pond for fishermen, but they took up with resident bluegills, producing a hybrid sunfish population.

David said planners had thought the fish in the pond could be moved, but state officials disabused them of that notion.

"It would be illegal for the zoo to relocate invasive or nonnative fish species to other public waterways," said DNR spokesman Chris McCloud. "Translocating thousands or tens of thousands of fish that might be found in a pond this size is not recommended."

McCloud said his agency recommended Rotenone, a special poison that affects only fish, to euthanize the pond's population.

The fast-acting poison comes from the root of a South American plant and must be applied by DNR technicians. The dead fish can then be safely disposed of in a landfill.

Work on the pond and its surrounding grounds will continue through next year, with refilling and restocking not scheduled until at least late 2009.

A reopening is scheduled in early 2010, when the South Pond's new natural Illinois ecosystem will become known as the Nature Boardwalk at Lincoln Park Zoo. The zoo will offer naturalist-led interpretive programs in the area.

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I know Guys, I barely post on here, but this is something I feel very strongly about! First let me point out that Neal David, Lincoln Park Zoo's vice president of facilities states that "The fish in the pond's dirty water also are likely to carry viruses and bacteria that would discourage other public or private facilities from taking them on." I totally disagree with this, first of all, if the pond is so polluted then why does the Chicago Park district stock it yearly with channel catfish and then encourage the public that it is okay to eat the fish, which by the way is farm raised fish.

Second of all, David states that "The problem is no one wants to catch them and relocate them because of their unknown quantity and quality. The process of catching them up and putting them into transport tanks would result in significant die-off, anyway." Well I am sure you fine gentlemen can answer this one! Fish fry anyone for the bluegill and crappie?? Why can't they just transport the larger bass 20 yards away in the Lincoln park Lagoon instead. I say get the bucket heads involved for the carp and catfish or feed the cook county inmates with the carp for a few weeks.

Third, David states that "Bluegill, largemouth bass, black crappie and channel catfish probably were stocked in the pond at one time for sport fishing." I've caught all three in this wonderful lagoon and the Catfish are stock yearly. The Bluegill, largemouth bass, black crappie are still very abundant after all these years and are not out numbered by the invasive goldfish or koi.

Another point that I find disturbing, is the fact that David states "The abundant nonnative decorative fish-koi and goldfish-likely were dropped in by pet owners who no longer wanted them." This is one of the main reason for them to restore the lake into a model Illinois freshwater habitat. But a question that I ask myself, is what is going to stop the irresponsible public from doing this again? People have been dumping their unwanted fish in our rivers, lagoons and lakes for years, I don't see them respecting a restored pond either!

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I am sure I can personally get about twenty people to volunteer their time to this cause. I would get my waders on and do what ever is necessary to save some of these fish. The Lincoln park Lagoon is less then 20 yards away, I'm sure the bass would survive the five minute walk in a tub of some sort.
 

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It's a good thing to finally find Jimmy Hoffa. The lagoon will turn out better. Look at Lake Delavan. It's so much better now. Big bass capital of Wisconsin. I hate the Carp and ammonia stink that my lures get in there. The invasive species are terrible in there. Here's a pic of one.
 

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well, consider the alternatives, without breaking any law (transporting of fish from one body to another = very illegal)

ok. there are none. sucks the fish will die, but that's just the way it is going to be. its not the first time a body of water had a fish kill. it happens. the new lagoon, once completed, will probably be a lot better than the current
 

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koi, goldfish, And Comets All might as well be considered an Illinois "Natural habitat" there is most of our waters we fish. ALL the rivers and in most of our lakes. If them re-doing this whole pond rest solely On the Gold Fish, then that's bs. And To be honest with you... Nothing will stop this from happening. Unless You get a "TEAM" Of volunteers set up to "SAVE" The fish that they want once it's drained, Then the fish will die. Even though it sounds bad The kill off and things like that, It really sounds like it will be for the better. The Deeper water that they plan on putting in Will allow More Fish and Bigger fish to live there. the Native landscape around it Will provide More Natural surrounding were the Fish can get accustomed to a variety of new food sources they didn't have before. BUT I'm one for fish Survival Maybe a good number can Be ""DONATED"" To the shed aquarium to Create and old lincoin park pond memorial. As it Was an historical land mark basicly 1865 is pretty dam old they can do a whole memorial out of it and dedicate one of there tanks to the ORIGINAL SPECIES that came out of the pond.

other then that...

Start Getting the word out.. Get volunteers,,

I'm With you on this one.

good luck.

George
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Please help out and email this letter to the Lincoln Park Zoo's vice president of facilities Neil David at [email protected]

Just copy and paste the following and please include this in subject headline Fish Kill Part Of Plan To Drain Zoo Lagoon or Stop the Fish kill at Lincoln Park Zoo South Pond.

The information I found misleading about the project to renovate the Lincoln Park zoo South Pond:

1. Question number one, if the pond was so polluted then why does the Chicago Park district stock it yearly with channel catfish under Mayor Daley's Urban Fishing Program? The site's specific regulation for channel catfish is 4 fish daily creel limit, which by the way is farm-raised fish. David Neil is quoted as saying "The fish in the pond's dirty water also are likely to carry viruses and bacteria that would discourage other public or private facilities from taking them on."

2. Second question, why can't they just transport the native native fish/ sport fishing like Bluegill, largemouth bass, black crappie and channel catfish 20 yards away into the Lincoln park Lagoon instead?
Why can't they hold a fall fishing derby or a Fish fry for the bluegill and crappie? David Neil is quoted as saying "The problem is no one wants to catch them and relocate them because of their unknown quantity and quality. The process of catching them up and putting them into transport tanks would result in significant die-off, anyway."

3. The Lincoln Park Zoo is going to be in charge of the pond's maintenance and upkeep when the restoration is complete, what guarantee is there that they will restock the pond with native fish/ sport fish like Bluegill, largemouth bass, black crappie and channel catfish? Will The Lincoln Park zoo south Pond still be a part of the Mayor Daley's Urban Fishing Program? Will fishing even be allowed at the new South Pond's natural Illinois ecosystem that will become known as the Nature Boardwalk at Lincoln Park Zoo?

4. How does the Lincoln Park Zoo plan on preventing in the future, irresponsible people from dumping their unwanted pets like koi or goldfish into the pond again? The fact of the matter is that people have been dumping their unwanted fish in our rivers, lagoons and lakes for years; I don't see them respecting a restored pond either!
David Neil is quoted as saying "The abundant non-native decorative fish-koi and goldfish-likely were dropped in by pet owners who no longer wanted them."

5. The Chicago Park District managed to restore several of the Park district lagoons back to natural model Illinois freshwater habitats. The major improvements to many of the lagoons have been boardwalks, fishing piers, bridges, and limestone fishing pads. I don't recall the park district having to drain any of the larger lagoons in order to make these wonderful improvements, why is Lincoln Park Zoo not adapting the same techniques as the Chicago Park district did in restoring the Lincoln Park Zoo South Pond? Does the restoration plan include several fishing piers or limestone fishing pads?
 

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That would be interesting if it turned into a world class fishery like Delavan. They hauled away truckloads of carp from there.

I will keep doing my part by killing every carp, goldfish, and any other non-native species I catch, from any body of water. :D
 

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twoglasseyes said:
I will keep doing my part by killing every carp, goldfish, and any other non-native species I catch, from any body of water. :D
Keep up the good work, The Raccoons are definitely Fattening up :D Although Against killing fish. There's so many carp, goldfish out there that it's almost as if "God" himself is making more so you can feed the other animals in the habitat.. ..ha..ha.. Now that this whole "Global thing" has gotten crazy there's no more garbage the ***** can pick through. They can go down to the beautiful body of water and feast into the Big Meaty fish some asshole left. Just makes the ecosystem go round :D

Keep on keepin on :D
 

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twoglasseyes said:
That would be interesting if it turned into a world class fishery like Delavan. They hauled away truckloads of carp from there.

I will keep doing my part by killing every carp, goldfish, and any other non-native species I catch, from any body of water. :D
For every fish you kill , Ill stock 3 more in :). Just this week I was up in Delavan and I put in 20 carp that I got from a pond.
 

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Don't take fish out of the lagoon and relocate them. The stagnant water of the lagoon has to be drained. It's so ammonia filled and polluted. You can transport the fish with disease like VHS and invasive parasites. Please don't do it. I'll tell you my secret for catching carp there. Every year I'll pull the black berries off the bushes around the lagoon. use that with a size 4 aberdeen hook. That's it! no sinker. Just a water bobber. Carp are good fight but not good for a shallow lagoon that can barely sustain life. When they dredge it to 15 ft deep, you'll see some nice bass coming out of there.
 
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