Phil, if you go to the auto show again. Go to the Chrysler SRT8 test track. There are 4 test tracks: Jeep, Dodge trucks, Chrysler products to test traction control and ABS on ice and the SRT8 test track. My son and I did that one last weekend. The line wasn't too bad. We got to ride in a Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8. 420 hp and 0-60 in 4.6 seconds. I couldn't believe it, but I think that it was faster than my Z/28. They also had the Chrysler 300, Dodge Charger, and Dodge Magnum. All SRT8's. Highly recommended.