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Tie a good, no, GREAT knot.(palomar) WET it (as in slobber it) BEFORE drawing tight, pull CHECK/shock test the knot (w/ a C-ring make SURE it's not in gap: with a HEAVY DUTY snap, is the snap shut-properly...?) Then, and ONLY then should you make a cast. Woulda , Shoulda, Couldas SUCK! Take the time- B-E-F-O-R-E- wishing you had...... and BE SAFE,Life PRESERVERS -ALWAYS WORN when in the boat/getting in the boat, and wear EYE PROTECTION ALWAYS!!!!!!!!!!! (even if it's just safety glasses/goggles!!) ........ 2037 A.D. scenario: Hi! I'm 'ol one eye' Alex. yeah, I lost an eye fishing back in '08 I set the hook on a big pike, it jumped threw the lure back at me , and well... after the surgury.... :shock: I was fitted for this groovy glass eye with a smallie on it! (although I wear a patch sometimes too, and ALWAYS on All Hallow's Eve oooooooo;)) =.... shoulda, woulda , coulda, but I din'na wear glasses..... aqueous fluid tastes kinda funny ya know.... etc.... enough preaching :? , SHUT UP AND FISH!!! :lol:
 
Here's a great article about topwater and the line to use:

John Crews
On Top With Braided Line

Bassmaster Elite Series pro John Crews says using braided line on topwaters lets him snatch fish quickly away from schools, which means he can get more bites from a single school.

Virginia Bassmaster Elite Series pro John Crews has gone almost exclusively to braided line for his topwater fishing. Most BassFans already use braid for topwater frogs, especially when fished over matted grass, because they know nothing else works as well for hauling big bass from heavy weeds. But Crews throws braid in open water.

Here he tells BassFan why maybe you should try it, too.

Skimming the Surface

"I use braided line now for all my topwater fishing except prop baits," he said. "It's good for poppers, walking baits, buzzbaits, you name it, all kinds of topwaters. If you use 20-pound braid for a small topwater you can really make it do an awesome walk.

"And you can launch them a mile," he added. "I think that Spiderwire Ultracast is the ultimate braid. It has a slick coating to make it real smooth and it just slides through the guides. That really helps with long distance casts. The smaller diameter of braid helps with distance, too. The 20-pound braid is the diameter of 6-pound mono, so you still have the strength but you can throw it farther."

Getting a long cast is critical to reach schooling fish, or to put a lure in front of skittish bass without putting them on their guard. But if they hit way out at the end of a bombed cast, you still have to get the hooks in them. Braid solves that riddle as well.

"A lot of topwater bites (occur) on the first couple of chugs (after it touches down)," he noted. "With SpiderWire Ultracast, the hookups are outstanding. If the fish just slaps at it and you pull back, and you hook them."

You never want to use fluorocarbon line for topwaters because it sinks and will kill the action of the lure. But guess what? Braid floats.

"Braid never pulls your lure under, and it's super limp so it doesn't drag on the lure and mess up the action," he said.

Since it lays limp on the water in front of the lure each time you give it slack, sometimes the bait will run over the line. "That happens even with mono unless you use heavy mono," he noted. "It's mostly with walking baits, but it has more to do with hook size and other conditions. You can't avoid it happening sometimes, especially with some chop on the water or if you let the bait glide too long (between twitches).

"But I think for the better action and better hookups and longer casts, the tradeoffs are well worth it to use braid instead of mono."

Gearing Up for Alien Abduction

Many anglers use a softer rod and ease back on the drag when fishing with braid. Not Crews.

"I mostly use the same rod as with mono," he said. "I like something with a little give to it, like a 6'6" to7' medium-action Fenwick HMG. Once I hookup with braid I start cranking and I never slow down. When they get near the boat, if they're hooked well, I just heave them in. I do that with fish up to maybe 4 pounds.

"You can wench on them and they don't have a chance. The 2-pounders or less sometimes just waterski in. It really helps to get them away from the school fast so they don't pull the school away from the bait or split the school, and then you have to wait for them to regroup and start feeding again. Or the school will get close enough to see the boat and spook.

"With this technique - just cranking as fast as you can to snatch them from the school before the others can follow - it's like an alien abducted it and the others never know what happened.

"You have to keep them moving fast, and the Abu Garcia Revo with the oversize gears works for me," he noted. "I use a 6.4:1 ratio, and back off a little bit on the drag as compared to mono, but not a lot."

Mono for Prop Baits

While he dotes on braid for his other topwaters, Crews still favors traditional monofilament line for his prop baits.

"For prop baits I stick with Berkley Trilene Big Game mono, like 20- to 25-pound line," he said. "Otherwise, the front prop will tangle in the limp superline on almost every cast. Even with mono you need a heavy line to prevent that."

All his prop baits have both a front and rear propeller. "I don't like prop baits with just a rear prop," he added. "Those kind mostly just dart, and I'd rather use a popper for that."

Notable

> "You have to be careful with heavy line or you'll bend out the hooks," Crews noted. "To avoid that I upsize my trebles to 2X strong hooks."
 
Braid is OK, but....(and John Crews is a COOL guy, I still haven't gotten any Lil' Johns yet though, waaaaa!!)...but, if it 'digs' into the spool, it'll backlashes like a MOTHER on the next cast,(see above post on SNAP! 'see ya bye-bye' lures) and the kind of backlash that you CAN"T 'pick out' , ya just gotta cut it... also, and you HAVE to tie the PROPER knot (I use a double palomar= overhand it TWICE before putting the loop over the bait, otherwise it SLIPS! (yes, you MAY have to tie it a couple times if it'hangs' bad, but you CAN wet it a bit and HARD cinch it down,(see bare skin comment ...) hopefully pulling any loops through/out with no/minimal compromise...) == MOST IMPORTANT!! If you 'hang up' the lure DO NOT use your bare hands!! (wet bare hands and braid= VISCIOUS DEEP CUT)- Have a stick , or jacket sleeve, NEVER bare skin, to wrap the line or on to pull. Many here are bank fishermen and women, and they will hurt themselves if not aware of braid's 'abilities'.... From a boat , briad IS more viable, but the bank.... until you KNOW braid, it IS a liability and if you HAVE to cut the line on a hang, I'd MUCH rather it be mono, it will EVENTAULLY breakdown, but braid.... it'll be raising hell for years.... Just My Opine, Alex (great info you pass along Lee!! Thanks for sharing, IT'S ALL GOOD!! :D
 
Discussion starter · #24 ·
Skippy, I was saying my buddy was throwing the Jr with 14 lb on a medium heavy 7'2" bait caster. I usually run 20-30 lb test PowerPro on my bait casters. You can get away with running light tackle on almost any fish if you know what your doing and have a good drag system. The best is when you can just ripp them out of the docks and weeds and into the boat ASAP. Thats the only reason I run heavy line is when fishing heavy structure... :wink:

Oh Yea, Skippy, the only reason you backlash a spool is if you don't know what your doing with casting, and like you said SNAP. :roll: Haha, im gonna have to disagree, that is either poor line or a fisherman that needs more skills, Set your magnets right and you should be OK. Thanks for the Laugh man! Great humor and thanks for the info! :lol:

Dave

PS: You got all crazzy about the post thinking I was going to run 14lb with it, I mean... it can be done. But I will mostly be using PowerPro. So I have no clue how you came off like that. It might be a mis-understanding, but its all good! 8) By the Way, the Palomar is the knot I use most, and ofcourse you have to double loop it with braided, either that or you can use the Clinch with braided...

I just don't know why all this is brought up when I asked info on the lure, Not Knots, Line, backlash's and all... ;) Take Care Bud!
 
The best knot for braided line I've found is called a double uni-knot. It is by far the best for saltwater fishing braided line. I've used it on all my flipping and frogs. 100% knot strength. That knot just completely bites down.
 
Discussion starter · #26 ·
Big Bass Lee said:
The best knot for braided line I've found is called a double uni-knot. It is by far the best for saltwater fishing braided line. I've used it on all my flipping and frogs. 100% knot strength. That knot just completely bites down.
K, sounds good. for some reason I have full confidence in the double Palomar though. If something happens later down the road though, I might have to use a double Uni-Knot. Thanks Jason! 8)

Dave
 
wencher:"" Oh Yea, Skippy, the only reason you backlash a spool is if you don't know what your doing with casting, and like you said SNAP. Haha, im gonna have to disagree, that is either poor line or a fisherman that needs more skills, Set your magnets right and you should be OK. "" ==== re: backlash..Backlash: I DEFY, no I DARE you to cast a big lure INTO a 20 mph wind and you can set ALL your magnets out, and tighten the cast control knob down, and go ahaed , in an attempt to STILL reach that stump 30 yards out, where you KNOW a 6+ pounder lives, and you KNOW that he'll FINALLY bite your 'big assed lure' today- ONLY, ONLY because the wind has created the right environmental conditions (light penetration obscured, plankton and sediments stirred up, etc..) for him to be aggressive/turned 'on' enough. Go ahead do that enough -LIKE I DO- and you WILL, W-I-L-L eventually get a 'professional over-run' (ask Larry Nixon, KVD, or skip a jig 20 feet under a dock/overhang like Guido and Dion Hibbdon) , so LOL , d-o-n-'t even start with me LLol :) : " the only reason you backlash a spool is if you don't know what your (you're) doing with casting..", I'll BLOW YOU OUT OF THE WATER on casting. and , I'm not being an a-hole , just stating a fact..... LOL, and 'We all guut maan...LOL" === 'crazy about the 14 lb test' ... that wasn't necessarily aimed at you or in this case your friend) , more at anyone considering throwing a lure made on the other side of the world, costing over $25, and the LIKELY prospect that they would wind up losing (in the previously mentioned manners...) the lure AND/or the looonker (or LOG with fins) that (FINALLY!) clobbered it (the lure you can replace...the big assed bass -or the 40 inch'incidental' pike - will HAUNT YOU for the rest of your life!! cries, laughs,... cries....nods KNOWINGLY... LOL!) == We Cool?????? p.s.(LEE- I know, and agree with you on the occaisional and specific use of Fluoro with certain topwaters under certain conditions-you and I are Tournament Anglers with hundred of thousands of casts, we KNOW that of which we speak. and re:a double uni? are you talking uni to uni? is a great knot and the ideal with unlike lines (although the J-knot is a FANTASTIC fluoro leader to braid line junction!) . , but the majority will boff-it , be too impatient to tie it CORRECTLY for joining two lines., but I'm honestly not sure how you are tying it directly to the lure/c-ing/snap? are you tying a uni, and then with the tag end(long) tying another right up the line from it? ie: end to end or right on top of the first one?? THANKS! I LOVE to learn/discover new/alternative knots! If you don't know the 'J' knot http://www.worldseafishing.com/tackle/k ... _mono.html additionally, I have found with lighter superlines/braids that one more time around the loop before inserting into 'self loop' keeps said lighter lines from slipping. it goes through tiny spinning guides really well, and 'chafes' the knot very minimally. -shock test periodically to avoid 'heartbreak..." LOL!! ;) ==== p.s I would rather provide TOO MUCH INFO, than not enough, and expose others to it, especially with things I myself have learned, tried, 'anal'yzed, and feel comfortable and CONFIDENT enough in to share, letting them decide what works best for them... I'm ALL about sharing and teaching... (opens arm as if to 'Hug' :shock: :oops: :wink: ) Be SAFE, and Be Well, Alex
 
Discussion starter · #28 ·
I understand ya Skippy, but you were giving me info I wasn't asking about. I read it and was like WTF is this all about. But yes, you do make a great point on line for certian baits. But like I said, I run Braided PowerPro and love that line for my bait casters. Yes, skipping lures underdocks or in tight areas can be a challenge if not done correctly, practice makes perfect, I use to fish the ILBF with my buddy years back, that was a blast. My favorite was Pool 13 on the Mississippi River. Those tournaments were a blast! I know what you mean of casting lures into 20mph winds, I usually use my thumb as a controle when casting into wind, but lure weight and line weight does have a big factor along with rod length and weight. Thats why they make cranking, finesse rods, etc... No hard feelings Skippy, I understand it all. It was confusing to read and I felt like you were bashing me for saying my buddy was running 14 lb with his baitcaster throwing a BuzzJet Jr, That's why I took offense and typed a fast reponse. I recieved my Buzzjets in the mail yesterday and they do look killer when swimming in the water from previously throwing one before. I was just looking for a little more info on one anothers input on the lure. I love Lucky-Craft and most of my Cranks and Jerks are lucky-craft. I just wasn't sure about Deps that much, I just wanted some input. But thanks and good fishn'

Dave
 
AND like I said....I wasn't 'talking to just you'(stop being so 'picayune' and 'defensive' , LOTS of OTHER people, NON-post'ers visit this site, and they READ..... = the Horse is Officially 'dead'
 
Discussion starter · #30 ·
SKIPPY69 said:
AND like I said....I wasn't 'talking to just you'(stop being so 'picayune' and 'defensive' , LOTS of OTHER people, NON-post'ers visit this site, and they READ..... = the Horse is Officially 'dead'
Yup, It was just a confusion, Good Fishn' :wink:
 
Discussion starter · #32 ·
koolaid2313 said:
14-17lbs? Are you guys kidding? I don't even use that for the kings.
Ripping bass out of heavy cover while tournament fishing can be challenging at times, you want to just get that bass in as fast as possible. not even that, With a Bait Caster and heavy Line, you can just flip dem right in the boat! :D But yea, heavy line sure is great for certian area's, tiber, docks, heavy weeds, lilly pads, rocks, etc...
 
Cahoool-Haaaaid, you been secretly takin' my picture down at da ribba? LOL! it's 'Jason' Wayne Gacy ummm, and noooo (that Jason will falsely claim otherwise) I don't like 'fellas', STRICTLY FEMALE desires run though my blood... :wink: (that and pescatorial.... :shock: )
 
SKIPPY69 said:
Cahoool-Haaaaid, you been secretly takin' my picture down at da ribba? LOL! it's 'Jason' Wayne Gacy ummm, and noooo (that Jason will falsely claim otherwise) I don't like 'fellas', STRICTLY FEMALE desires run though my blood... :wink: (that and pescatorial.... :shock: )
So you like female fish? Or you like females, and fishing?
 
LOL :lol: Wellllllllll , they are both wonderful, and at the same time, frustratingly complicated.(makes things 'colorful' right....) I will be honest, I THINK (already a 'FAIL' :shock: ) I understand female fish better than female humans, yet both supply interesting, and occaisionally successful challenges :wink: . I DO know one thing though, that BOTH are: "mon raison d'etre" ... tu comprend?OUI? = Je Suis Pecheur= ALEX
 
I've used the regular buzzjet but haven't had success with it. I only reel it in slowly so it's possible I'm not using it right. They are huge. I think I will by one or two of the BJ Jr's to try out the next time around.
 
The thing IS big, especially for the "Northern Tier" states, and you will get more bites on the Jr. (by ALL means buy one!!), but when you DO eventually get bit on the 'Sr.' , it may be your biggest bass (or Pike-use a GOOD steel leader in pike/muskie waters!!) of your life. Definitely mix up your retrieves,sloooooooooooow, fast steady buzz, stop&go-slow/fast, deadstick it 15-30 seconds with a sharp jerk or two in between(MANY times fish will be RIGHT UNDER the lure looking at it, and when you jerk it....KAPOOOOOOOOSH! :mrgreen: ) - AND don't be afraid to fish it in ANY weather conditions, although a small chop is a winner. Fish it WAAAAAY out, or parallel the shoreline with it, and ESPECIALLY throw it next to, or rather PAST IT the cover , and bring it back to the target (stump ,tree, overhang, weedline clump, mudline, watercolor change, rock outcrop/pile, or dock. Yes, you better be a decent caster to do this (PRACTICE!), but NO GUTS= NO GLORY!!!!!!!! (aka sudden instantaneous spike in heartrate, followed by hyperventillating and exclamations of "HOLY $#@^ !!!" and the #1 chant : "pleasestayonpleasestayonpleasestayonpleasedeargodstayON!!" and if you have 'pleased' the fishing gods, and the stars line up ......... You'll have a memory that you will NEVER forget..... (and hopefully a bunch of pictures of the fish before you RELEASED IT!!!! Great Luck and SAFETY out there, always wear EYE PROTECTION, Be Well, Alex
 
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