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Hey Prince,
That is a very nice pike you have there. I am impressed that someone your age is so interested in fishing. You have cought fish that at my age 30, have not cought yet (pike). Follow the rules on fish keeping and don't let any one put you down. Always practice catch and release for the future of this sport but nonetheless congrats on the fish and guy's remember he is a kid. :D
 
Selective harvest can be beneficial to many bodies of waters :wink: I CNR 99.% of what I catch, and believe me, I catch a fair share of fish.

Aww, look at the poor fish :cry: Don't you know fish have feelings too? :p
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Yami loves bass :p Anyone care to guess the size of this HAWG :lol:
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Oscar barbecue? I'm in :wink:
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Very close. 14.5''. The lake we took it from is overpopulated with 14-15'' fish. We used to catch many 4 and 5lbers out of there back when people used to actually keep a fish or two. We make it a point to keep a few fish b/w 14-15'' for the deep fryer every time we go up in July. This is one case of strict CNR actually hurting a lake. I know of several other lakes just like this. Taking a fanatical point of view to CNR is an uneducated view IMO. Every lake/pond/river has a different balance and is a unique situation.
 
I think a slot limit or a MAXIMUM size limit would benefit that lake a lot.
It seems like the limits in the areas around here are set arbitrarily, rather than basing them on studies of the waterway. Go several hundred miles north and they seem to have their acts together.
Unfortunately around here a max. size limit or slot would not be recieved well after years of minimum size limits.
Just imagine what the buckets would think about a 14" max and total of 5....oh wait they would love that shit. :lol:
 
twoglasseyes said:
I think a slot limit or a MAXIMUM size limit would benefit that lake a lot.
It seems like the limits in the areas around here are set arbitrarily, rather than basing them on studies of the waterway. Go several hundred miles north and they seem to have their acts together.
Unfortunately around here a max. size limit or slot would not be recieved well after years of minimum size limits.
Just imagine what the buckets would think about a 14" max and total of 5....oh wait they would love that shit. :lol:
Very True!

JayPee
 
Since Matt brought up a good point. I thought I would post this concerning a very good Bass lake in this area. Bangs Lake

Bangs Lake Creel Limits

Fish Limits

Species
Daily Limit
Length

Northern Pike
2
24 Inches

Muskellunge
1
36 Inches

Bass-Large and Small Mouth
2
13-15 Inches Only

Walleye
2
Minimum 15 Inches

Panfish (Blue Gill, Sun Fish)
25
Minimum 6 Inches

Black Crappie
15
Minimum 9 Inches




2002 SUMMARY REPORT
of
BANGS LAKE
Lake County, Illinois


LIMNOLOGICAL DATA - WILDLIFE ASSESSMENT
During the 1980's, an extensive stocking program was carried out by various interests in
the community. Stocking efforts from 1983-1990 included 2,070 large mouth bass
between 1983 and 1985, 7,500 walleye between 1985 and 1989, 2,100 northern pike from
1986-1988 and 1,250 channel catfish in 1988. In the 1990's, catfish and walleye
continued to be stocked, along with northern pike. There were 700 northern pike stocked
in 2001. No stocking occurred in 2002. Fisheries assessments have also been conducted
on Bangs Lake for many years. The most recent assessments date back to 1990, when
Max McGraw Wildlife Foundation conducted night electroshocking on June 18 and 19.
Sixteen different fish species were found for a total of 367 fish. Bluegills were the most
abundant species collected (72.5%), followed by largemouth bass (12.6%) and yellow
bass (7.6%). The sample included only one walleye and no northern pike, as these are
difficult to shock and may not be indicative of quantity. Overabundance of bluegill and
limited natural reproduction in walleye and pike were the main problems noted. In 1992
and 1997, the Illinois Department of Natural Resources (IDNR) conducted a fish survey
through electroshocking, gill nets and trap nets. In 1997, a total of 294 fish, comprising
16 species were collected. Compared to the 1992 survey, species number in 1997
declined from 23 species (absent from the 1997 survey were warmouth, channel catfish,
brown and yellow bullheads, spotfin shiner, blackchin shiner, banded killifish and white
sucker). The small number or size of the fish and the low water temperature at the time
of the survey may explain these results. Bluegill was the dominant species in 1992 and
1997, although the population had experienced a decrease in abundance from 61% to
46%. Largemouth bass had increased substantially from 9% in 1992 to 21% in 1997.
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The remainder of the fishery exhibited relatively stable to slight changes in abundance.
The presence of two state threatened species, the blackchin shiner and banded killifish in
1992, and of one state endangered species, the blacknose shiner in 1997, was noted and it
was recommended that the presence of these fish be considered in lake management
decisions. In a fish survey conducted by the Illinois Natural History Survey and the
Lakes Management Unit in 1998, 298 fish comprising 20 species were collected. All
three threatened/endangered fish species were found, along with another state endangered
species, the Iowa darter. Only seining nets were used in this survey and collection was
concentrated in shallow areas. In 2002, another IDNR fish survey was performed using
electroshocking, trapnets and gillnets. A total of 291 fish comprising 15 species were
collected. Of the four threatened/endangered species, only the blacknose shiner was
found in 2002. This is likely a function of the sampling technique used, which is not
appropriate to sample very small fish in shallow areas. Largemouth bass and bluegill
dominated the fish community. According to the survey, there has been no appreciable
difference in the overall bass population in Bangs Lake relative to basic population
analysis over the past 10 years. What has changed is that fewer age classes are present
and older fish have dropped out of the population. There are strong year classes carrying
through, which should provide both reproductive potential and catchability as they get
older. Bluegill, black crappie and yellow perch were of similar size distribution and
abundance as past surveys. The northern pike population appeared to be balanced and
made up of a variety of age classes. Recommendations by the IDNR included a
largemouth bass creel of 1-3 fish and 15 inch length limit, allowing the harvest of panfish
in order to reduce overpopulation, and another fish survey in 2003 or 2004 to assess
whether sampling error missed larger fish and the small threatened/endangered fish
species.
Wildlife observations were made on a monthly basis during water quality and plant
sampling activities (See Appendix B for methodology). Because the abundance of
wildlife habitat in the form of wetland and buffer areas was relatively high around Bangs
Lake, a moderate number of wildlife species were observed, including the state
endangered osprey (Table 7). A larger number of high quality songbirds and waterfowl
would probably take advantage of the high water quality and plant community of Bangs
Lake if the abundance of residential shoreline around the lake was lower. However,
considering how developed the lake is, the number of wildlife species is encouraging.
The maintenance of wetland and buffered shorelines and the establishment of additional
buffer strips (especially along the shoreline of newly developed areas) is very important
and strongly recommended to provide the appropriate habitat for birds and other animals
in the future.

Hop this wasn't too much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just a good example of what Matt was talking about.

 
FishinMatt said:
Very close. 14.5''. The lake we took it from is overpopulated with 14-15'' fish. We used to catch many 4 and 5lbers out of there back when people used to actually keep a fish or two. We make it a point to keep a few fish b/w 14-15'' for the deep fryer every time we go up in July. This is one case of strict CNR actually hurting a lake. I know of several other lakes just like this. Taking a fanatical point of view to CNR is an uneducated view IMO. Every lake/pond/river has a different balance and is a unique situation.
Matt, I've been along long enough, hopefully, for people to get a sense of me. That I don't start shit for no reason, and I only ask to get answers, not to stir the pot. That being said, I've got a question.

How does a strict CNR hurt a lake/pond/etc.? I guess I just have more to learn, but I would think that can only help?

Again, not asking to start another feud, I just don't understand.
 
jaypee the hhf said:
twoglasseyes said:
I think a slot limit or a MAXIMUM size limit would benefit that lake a lot.
It seems like the limits in the areas around here are set arbitrarily, rather than basing them on studies of the waterway. Go several hundred miles north and they seem to have their acts together.
Unfortunately around here a max. size limit or slot would not be recieved well after years of minimum size limits.
Just imagine what the buckets would think about a 14" max and total of 5....oh wait they would love that shit. :lol:
Very True!

JayPee
true true true!
 
Thats some good stuff seabass. If you find something like that on the ccfpd let me know. I would really like to see that info.

The strict c&r doesnt hurt waterway as much as it decreases the big fish potential of the water. Lots of small fish eat as much as a few big fish. If people keep the big ones all the time the little ones will over run the place and keep the availability of food down so that they can never grow to their potential. If just the right numbers of the right sized fish are harvested it leaves the big fish to regulate and the smaller fish do grow up have more food.
 
I was reading on another Chicagoland website that will remain nameless, :roll: , where they were discussing this same issue in regards to Independence Grove. A guy was saying that the bass there were stunted because of the strict CPR and that if they let people harvest the smaller ones it would turn into a bigger fish lake.
 
I agree that a keeper slot 13-15" like Bangs Lake is very benificial to most lakes. The problem is that if there is no one to enforce these limits. Or anglers who CPR only anyway. It will make no difference. DNR or local authority need to inform the anglers and encourage harvesting the qualifying fish. This will keep the bucketheads honest and get the hardcore CPR guys(like myself) to keep a couple fish. I would do my part if I believed I was making the body of water and population healthier.
 
twoglasseyes said:
Thats some good stuff seabass. If you find something like that on the ccfpd let me know. I would really like to see that info.

The strict c&r doesnt hurt waterway as much as it decreases the big fish potential of the water. Lots of small fish eat as much as a few big fish. If people keep the big ones all the time the little ones will over run the place and keep the availability of food down so that they can never grow to their potential. If just the right numbers of the right sized fish are harvested it leaves the big fish to regulate and the smaller fish do grow up have more food.
if we are talking bass. the bigger bass will more likely not regulate the smaller bass. it all depends on the ecology of the lake. if you have other predatory fish(northern muskie) which will regulate smaller fish i.e guills small bass etc.. then the bigger bass will reproduce good stock. its a delicate balance. in a perfect world im all for a slot if you can regulate it. lunker share is another possibillity.

toothdoc said:
I was reading on another Chicagoland website that will remain nameless, :roll: , where they were discussing this same issue in regards to Independence Grove. A guy was saying that the bass there were stunted because of the strict CPR and that if they let people harvest the smaller ones it would turn into a bigger fish lake.
I don't know if this is true about I G but it happens all the time to other boddies of water. I was at a lake in wisconsin a couple of weeks ago which had a strict limit of 1 bass 18" and they even had a ranger there to regulate it. i'll tell you that all of the fish we caught where solid 2.5-4lb bass. about 15 of them to be precise. I think it's because of the other predatory fish in the lake (northern muskie) controling the smaller population that these big fish where aloud to flouish.

Seebass said:
I agree that a keeper slot 13-15" like Bangs Lake is very benificial to most lakes. The problem is that if there is no one to enforce these limits. Or anglers who CPR only anyway. It will make no difference. DNR or local authority need to inform the anglers and encourage harvesting the qualifying fish. This will keep the bucketheads honest and get the hardcore CPR guys(like myself) to keep a couple fish. I would do my part if I believed I was making the body of water and population healthier.
I couldn't agree with you more seebass! 8)
 
No worries Steve.

Like most, I am a layman whens it comes to biology and that stuff, but I will try to explain the best I can.

Like I said, every body of water is different. The key element to any decent body of water is balance. If a population of any fish species gets too high on a body of water, there may be a shortage of supportable forage that follows. This in turn causes stunting to the fish. Most of us have probably fished bodies of water that have bass with large heads and snake bodies. Many of these fish also have buggy eyes. There is a private pond in Indiana that Yami and I fish. The lake used to have some hawgs when the owner had it regularly managed by the DNR. After letting it slide and having it become rarely fished, and almost never harvested, the bass size crashed completely. As the bass stopped growing, there was no predation on the panfish, which took over the entire lake. Simply put, now the bass have nothing to eat, and the bluegill have nothing to control their population either. The balance here was lost.
Along with that, supportable forage supplies run out quickly with stunted fish. Bass of different size ranges eat diferent things. If all the bass are keying in on forage that is say 2-4'' long, after awhile that forage is going to take a hit. When that happens the fish stunt even further. Total CNR can disrupt the whole food chain so to speak.
Now, many of these issues you will never see, especially in local rentention ponds and CCFP lakes. There is already enough bucket heads keeping anything, regardless of regs, to let gamefish populations peak to their potential. I understand all that, and that is why I almost always CNR.
Thus far, Canada has been the leader in selective harvest with their slot limits after suffering from overfishing. Really, it is the breeders that need to be protected, while trying to find the right bag limit to support the balance of a fishery. The Fox Chain was very innovative in implementing a slot on the walleye, and what resulted was arguably the best walleye fishery in IL. On the other hand, over the last few years, I have heard some gripings from Independence Grove regulars of many of the bass and walleye starting to stunt. This is not something that is going to ruin the fishery overnight, but lets take a look at those populations in 5 years and see where the overall size of those fish sits.
In the end, you can argue both ways. The ILDNR does not have it figured out yet, that for sure. In the end though, looking at the leaders such as Canada, Minnesota, and WI, selective harvest is the way of the future. Check out the regs on Delavan. They are strict but anglers can keep fish. On the other hand, Geneva has a 6 fish bass limit at 14'', and the lake has a great balanced population of smallies and largies. I think intentions for CNR are in the right place, but when it starts getting fanatical it becomes almost PETA like IMO. In order to form an educated opinion on anything you have to be able to objectively view both sides of the arguement. In turn, I think some of the CNR fanatics don't do that, which really is a shame, because ultimately their heart is in the right place.
 
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